You might notice that Mormons lie a lot about their beliefs and their organization. It's pathological. And I mean, bald-faced, stare you in the eye, lying. For example, in recent days on X, you might have seen Mormons swear up and down that they are not polytheists - and denouncing anyone as a "liar" for alleging it - when, with their fingers crossed behind their backs, what they mean that they've redefined "polytheism" to require the *worship* of two gods at once, a definition no one else holds in the world (but they don't tell you that up front). What you might not know is that you didn't just happen to run across an anomaly of a lying Mormon. It's a part of the religion. It even has a name.
"Lying for the Lord" is a named, recognized concept within Mormon studies, ex-Mormon scholarship, and even some internal Mormon academic circles. The most substantial treatment of it as a named phenomenon comes from Mormon historian Richard Packham, who documented it extensively, and from Grant Palmer's work, particularly his book "An Insider's View of Mormon Origins." The phrase circulates widely enough in Mormon critical scholarship that it has its widely understood, specifically the pattern of Church leaders, missionaries, and members making demonstrably false or misleading public statements to protect the institution.
For example, Gordon B. Hinckley, the Church's president from 1995 to 2008, demonstrated this live on national television when Larry King asked him whether Mormons believe they can become gods, and Hinckley replied, "I don't know that we teach that." Obviously, the Doctrine of Eternal Progression is one of the most essential Mormon doctrines, and it's like a Christian denying they teaching Justification By Faith. The interview was ridiculed by almost everyone, including Mormons who were upset their president lied on national TV.
It's just a Mormon tradition. Joseph Smith publicly denials practicing polygamy while actively practicing it. He denied it in print in 1835 in the Messenger and Advocate, denied it publicly multiple times thereafter, and was simultaneously taking plural wives, some of them other men's wives. Brigham Young denied the Danites existed, his Mormon assassination and execution squad. And now, you'll find Mormons on X promising you that the Church banning black people from full admission until the Carter Administration is "an untrue rumor." They 100% know better. Lying is allowed in Mormonism.
When lying to prospective converts about what Mormonism teaches, the concept of "milk before meat" - a phrase drawn from 1 Corinthians but repurposed in LDS practice to mean that full doctrinal disclosure is inappropriate for outsiders or "new investigators," and that presenting a simplified or sanitized version of Mormon theology is not deception but pastoral wisdom.
The more structural grounding comes from Doctrine and Covenants 123:15, which instructs members to be "wise" in dealing with enemies of the Church. Combined with the temple oath of consecration, in which members covenant to give everything including their lives to the building up of the Kingdom, the institutional logic produces a community where protecting the Church's public image is treated as a sacred obligation that can override ordinary truth-telling.
There is also the "inspired fiction" concept around Joseph Smith's own history. Smith dictated multiple conflicting accounts of the First Vision, and the Church suppressed the earlier accounts for over a century. When the earlier accounts surfaced publicly in the 1960s and 70s through research, the institutional response was not correction but damage control, including the firing and later excommunication of historians like D. Michael Quinn who documented the discrepancies accurately.
The Islamic parallel to "Lying for the Lord" is called taqiyya, the Shia doctrine permitting deception to protect the faith community, with a softer Sunni cousin called kitman, which is concealment by omission rather than outright falsehood. The Rabbinic parallel is the shev v'al ta'aseh principle and various Talmudic permissions around eilu v'eilu that allow dishonesty if the cause is good enough.
Mormonism's version is less formally codified than taqiyya but more institutionally practiced than either. The difference is that the LDS Church is a modern organization with press offices, PR firms, and legal departments, so its deception tends to arrive in the form of carefully worded non-answers, strategic omissions, and rebranding operations rather than a named doctrinal permission. The effect is the same. The paper trail is more deniable.
You can find out more in the latest I2I Intel Drop, complete with 20+ footnotes of citations and links to primary sources on how this doctrine is lived out in the life and teachings of the LDS.
@BasedMikeLee If Joseph Smith wasn't spreading the practice of polygamy and amassing a militia that was a threat to the United States, maybe he would've had more support.
Perpetrators armed to the teeth that go down in a blaze of gunfire aren't martyrs.
@BasedMikeLee If Joseph Smith wasn't spreading the practice of polygamy and amassing a militia that was a threat to the United States, maybe he would've had more support.
Perpetrators armed to the teeth that go down in a blaze of gunfire aren't martyrs.
Mormons are often very personally offended when Christians say that Mormonism isn’t Christian. This is dumb.
Joseph Smith’s first “encounter” with God involves God telling Smith that every creed Christians profess is an abomination to God.
Every creed.
That includes the Nicene Creed. They reject who God is, who Jesus is, the nature of salvation, the nature of exaltation, the clear teaching of Scripture, etc..
Mormonism rejects the very core of the Christian faith in all its essentials. Joseph Smith knew this but nowadays they are playing mind games with their own people and with real Christians.
Either THEY are Christians or WE are. It’s one or the other. Not both.
When asked “Will all be damned but Mormons?” Smith replied, “Yes, and a great portion of them unless they repent and work righteousness” (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pg. 119)
The Doctrine and Covenants (1:30) leaves no doubt to the Mormon teaching of exclusivity when it says the LDS Church is “the only true and living church upon the face of the whole earth, with which I, the Lord, am well pleased ….”
Brigham Young, second only to Joseph Smith in Mormonism said…
“Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity” (Journal of Discourses 10:230).
“The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God” (Journal of Discourses 8:171).
I could easily give you pages of them saying they are the only true Christians and how we are all ignorant beasts and our doctrines are wrong. They knew at the time they had a different God, gospel, Scripture, and system of belief. But now it has become expedient to pretend otherwise while still preaching all those false and unchristian things.
Mormons, your leaders are gaslighting you and you are gaslighting us. You aren’t Christian but we want you to be. Flee from Mormonism. Flee from Joseph Smith.
Mormons are often very personally offended when Christians say that Mormonism isn’t Christian. This is dumb.
Joseph Smith’s first “encounter” with God involves God telling Smith that every creed Christians profess is an abomination to God.
Every creed.
That includes the Nicene Creed. They reject who God is, who Jesus is, the nature of salvation, the nature of exaltation, the clear teaching of Scripture, etc..
Mormonism rejects the very core of the Christian faith in all its essentials. Joseph Smith knew this but nowadays they are playing mind games with their own people and with real Christians.
Either THEY are Christians or WE are. It’s one or the other. Not both.
When asked “Will all be damned but Mormons?” Smith replied, “Yes, and a great portion of them unless they repent and work righteousness” (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pg. 119)
The Doctrine and Covenants (1:30) leaves no doubt to the Mormon teaching of exclusivity when it says the LDS Church is “the only true and living church upon the face of the whole earth, with which I, the Lord, am well pleased ….”
Brigham Young, second only to Joseph Smith in Mormonism said…
“Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity” (Journal of Discourses 10:230).
“The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God” (Journal of Discourses 8:171).
I could easily give you pages of them saying they are the only true Christians and how we are all ignorant beasts and our doctrines are wrong. They knew at the time they had a different God, gospel, Scripture, and system of belief. But now it has become expedient to pretend otherwise while still preaching all those false and unchristian things.
Mormons, your leaders are gaslighting you and you are gaslighting us. You aren’t Christian but we want you to be. Flee from Mormonism. Flee from Joseph Smith.
Mormons are often very personally offended when Christians say that Mormonism isn’t Christian. This is dumb.
Joseph Smith’s first “encounter” with God involves God telling Smith that every creed Christians profess is an abomination to God.
Every creed.
That includes the Nicene Creed. They reject who God is, who Jesus is, the nature of salvation, the nature of exaltation, the clear teaching of Scripture, etc..
Mormonism rejects the very core of the Christian faith in all its essentials. Joseph Smith knew this but nowadays they are playing mind games with their own people and with real Christians.
Either THEY are Christians or WE are. It’s one or the other. Not both.
When asked “Will all be damned but Mormons?” Smith replied, “Yes, and a great portion of them unless they repent and work righteousness” (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pg. 119)
The Doctrine and Covenants (1:30) leaves no doubt to the Mormon teaching of exclusivity when it says the LDS Church is “the only true and living church upon the face of the whole earth, with which I, the Lord, am well pleased ….”
Brigham Young, second only to Joseph Smith in Mormonism said…
“Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity” (Journal of Discourses 10:230).
“The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God” (Journal of Discourses 8:171).
I could easily give you pages of them saying they are the only true Christians and how we are all ignorant beasts and our doctrines are wrong. They knew at the time they had a different God, gospel, Scripture, and system of belief. But now it has become expedient to pretend otherwise while still preaching all those false and unchristian things.
Mormons, your leaders are gaslighting you and you are gaslighting us. You aren’t Christian but we want you to be. Flee from Mormonism. Flee from Joseph Smith.
@BasedMikeLee Nice revamped logo, to go with new marketing strategy since you're losing active members. Gotta grow the $300B somehow. Still got Moroni on the top of your temples, still embezzling little old ladies.