@derExecutor When you say He, who are you talking about? Jesus in the Book of Mormon, The Holy Bible, or the Quran? The relationship is snubbed when the teachings of Jesus become altered or a fictional version of Him is created. Jesus changed our relationship with God.
@deseretnoise Father is the eternal source and creator who plans and sustains all things. Son is the Word made flesh who became human, lived, died for humanity’s sins, and rose again.
The Holy Spirit is the active presence of God who indwells believers, convicts, guides, empowers, sanctifies.
@RadioactiveIM3 Well, you kind of self-owned yourself since you missed your own fail. You and @blairchris are talking about two different Jesus'. The Jesus portrayed in the Book of Mormon shares a fictional creation such as the Jesus of the Quran. To you, you are correct, historically: wromg.
@BasedMikeLee@ryanswalters73 The Book of Mormon is fiction, and not as interesting as the Bible where the real Jesus is portrayed, the @smithsonian has evaluated the fictional societies in the Book of Mormon as never existing. Why don't you listen to the radio on https://t.co/hdRTcFB2eO?
Read the Book of Mormon.
Cover to cover.
Pray about it, asking sincerely to know whether it’s true (the final chapter provides specific guidance on this point).
Then tell me whether Latter-day Saints believe in Jesus Christ.
Will you accept that challenge?
Joseph Smith’s False Prophesies
A true prophet you say? True prophets don’t get prophecies wrong. Joseph Smith did.
Prophecy of Joseph Smith, April 11, 1838: “Verily thus saith the Lord: It is wisdom in my servant David W. Patten, that he settle up all his business as soon as he possibly can, and make a disposition of his merchandise, that he may perform a mission unto me next spring, in company with others, even twelve including himself, to testify of my name and bear glad tidings unto all the world.” - Doctrines and Covenants, Section 114
David W. Patten was killed six months later, on October 25, 1838, at the Battle of Crooked River, as part of the Mormon War. So God didn’t know David W. Patten was going to die and gave Joseph Smith the prophecy anyway?
In the History of the Church, volume 2, page 182, it says that Smith prophesied this in 1835: “President Smith then stated ... it was the will of God that those who went to Zion, with a determination to lay down their lives, if necessary, should be ordained to the ministry, and go forth to prune the vineyard for the last time, or the coming of the Lord, which was nigh—even fifty-six years should wind up the scene.”
Jesus did not return 56 years later in 1891.
He also made many other prophecies that did not come to pass either, including the temple in New Jerusalem being in Missouri.
(Mormons also believe the Garden of Eden was in Missouri)
The Old Testament was very VERY clear about false prophets:
“But the prophet who shall speak a word presumptuously in My name which I have not commanded him to speak, or which he shall speak in the name of other gods, that prophet shall die.’ “And you may say in your heart, ‘How shall we know the word which the Lord has not spoken?’ When a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the thing does not come about or come true, that is the thing which the Lord has not spoken. The prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him.” - Deuteronomy 18:20-22
"We are followers of Jesus Christ. The most important truth the Holy Ghost will ever witness to you is that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God. He lives! He is our Advocate with the Father, our Exemplar, and our Redeemer. On this Easter Sunday, we commemorate His atoning sacrifice, His literal Resurrection, and His divinity.
This is His Church, restored through the Prophet Joseph Smith. I so testify, with my expression of love for each of you, in the sacred name of Jesus Christ, amen."
President Nelson
April 2018
Joseph Smith’s False Prophesies
A true prophet you say? True prophets don’t get prophecies wrong. Joseph Smith did.
Prophecy of Joseph Smith, April 11, 1838: “Verily thus saith the Lord: It is wisdom in my servant David W. Patten, that he settle up all his business as soon as he possibly can, and make a disposition of his merchandise, that he may perform a mission unto me next spring, in company with others, even twelve including himself, to testify of my name and bear glad tidings unto all the world.” - Doctrines and Covenants, Section 114
David W. Patten was killed six months later, on October 25, 1838, at the Battle of Crooked River, as part of the Mormon War. So God didn’t know David W. Patten was going to die and gave Joseph Smith the prophecy anyway?
In the History of the Church, volume 2, page 182, it says that Smith prophesied this in 1835: “President Smith then stated ... it was the will of God that those who went to Zion, with a determination to lay down their lives, if necessary, should be ordained to the ministry, and go forth to prune the vineyard for the last time, or the coming of the Lord, which was nigh—even fifty-six years should wind up the scene.”
Jesus did not return 56 years later in 1891.
He also made many other prophecies that did not come to pass either, including the temple in New Jerusalem being in Missouri.
(Mormons also believe the Garden of Eden was in Missouri)
The Old Testament was very VERY clear about false prophets:
“But the prophet who shall speak a word presumptuously in My name which I have not commanded him to speak, or which he shall speak in the name of other gods, that prophet shall die.’ “And you may say in your heart, ‘How shall we know the word which the Lord has not spoken?’ When a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the thing does not come about or come true, that is the thing which the Lord has not spoken. The prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him.” - Deuteronomy 18:20-22
The creeds are anachronistic to biblical Christianity. They didn’t exist so they couldn’t have been accepted, recited, or a requirement to be a Christian. Adding that requirement is a different gospel than what Jesus and his Apostles taught in the first century. Did you not read Galatians 1:8? You might even say it is an abomination to add them as a requirement for Christianity. Let anyone be accursed that preaches it!
Joseph Smith’s False Prophesies
A true prophet you say? True prophets don’t get prophecies wrong. Joseph Smith did.
Prophecy of Joseph Smith, April 11, 1838: “Verily thus saith the Lord: It is wisdom in my servant David W. Patten, that he settle up all his business as soon as he possibly can, and make a disposition of his merchandise, that he may perform a mission unto me next spring, in company with others, even twelve including himself, to testify of my name and bear glad tidings unto all the world.” - Doctrines and Covenants, Section 114
David W. Patten was killed six months later, on October 25, 1838, at the Battle of Crooked River, as part of the Mormon War. So God didn’t know David W. Patten was going to die and gave Joseph Smith the prophecy anyway?
In the History of the Church, volume 2, page 182, it says that Smith prophesied this in 1835: “President Smith then stated ... it was the will of God that those who went to Zion, with a determination to lay down their lives, if necessary, should be ordained to the ministry, and go forth to prune the vineyard for the last time, or the coming of the Lord, which was nigh—even fifty-six years should wind up the scene.”
Jesus did not return 56 years later in 1891.
He also made many other prophecies that did not come to pass either, including the temple in New Jerusalem being in Missouri.
(Mormons also believe the Garden of Eden was in Missouri)
The Old Testament was very VERY clear about false prophets:
“But the prophet who shall speak a word presumptuously in My name which I have not commanded him to speak, or which he shall speak in the name of other gods, that prophet shall die.’ “And you may say in your heart, ‘How shall we know the word which the Lord has not spoken?’ When a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the thing does not come about or come true, that is the thing which the Lord has not spoken. The prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him.” - Deuteronomy 18:20-22
Haha so true! We study the Bible more than the Book of Mormon. Our curriculum is on a 4 year cycle and the Bible is 2 years and BoM only 1. We ready and study the entire Bible in 2 years… and when we study the BoM and D&C we cross reference Bible verses in every lesson.
@TraviXai@TracerBuIlet@grok Jesus teaches us not to trust our own thoughts or opinions, I trust His.
Proverbs 3:5-6
Proverbs 28:26
Jeremiah 17:9
Proverbs 14:12
Isaiah 55:8
True clarity comes from matching your mindset with God's principles. Our thoughts are often clouded by temporary emotions.
@JasperHill84563@NicholasAyers You can scroll up and read this thread then; it might help you seeing the Book of Mormon this way:
https://t.co/LpQsBgqMCs
@TracerBuIlet Because of these overwhelming discrepancies, the text is treated as religious scripture or inspired fiction rather than an authentic ancient historical document.