This guy is an actual history idiot.
Go and read WW accounts of pilots.
It is rather hard to judge size in ocean and you find destroyers being scored as battleships and so on.
Information does not work like a video game. In this case USA-int. had no US ships in area.
Daylight. Clear skies. Calm seas. US flagged. Pilot transcripts prove that the pilots knew, but command told them otherwise. Survivors state trying to relay to Israeli forces they were Americans but still the attack came. Why?
Was it to draw us into the Six Day War? Was it to stop us from seeing Israeli troop movements or picking up command decisions?
Many primary sources are still sealed by the US government. Why? It was during the height of the Cold War and geopolitical reality made the math clear. Cover it up. Protect our only regional ally at the time. Bleed the Soviet Union.
The cost? 34 dead, 174 injured.
@KahanJulie@AdinHaykin1@Mish_K_ By Plausible I only mean in the vaguest sense. Who and when this is planned out requires a spythriller movie script where both sides have gone to a rehearsal together.
@KahanJulie@AdinHaykin1@Mish_K_ The only consp-theory that sounds "plausible" is a rogue US-NSA spy-games with Israel. Where NSA officials go behind President's back for some reason and is going to sabotage Israel (who had already won). Israel finds out and believes that somehow this one int-ship will turn war.
@downes_VZandt@davereaboi E.g.
Why would US lie about its ship position?Were they telling truth?
Did Israel think they were lying?
Decision: who & when?
Did they meticulously plan everything else and let some rando officer risk/reward sabotaging victory?
Why tell on themselves?
Etc
https://t.co/X8MC5jxlHj
To understand how retarded this theory is,
This was the situation on the war front when the USS Liberty was attacked,
Egypt surrendered a few hours later.
Why would Israel bother to do a "false flag" in a war it has already effectively won?
remember when Rep. Tlaib send her only solace for her Palestinian family’s suffering is that at least they provided a refuge for holocaust survivors? It reflected a bizarrely counter historical narrative that seems prevalent in Palestinian circles that somehow Palestinians welcomed Jewish refugees to their country, and the Jews betrayed them. In fact, there was no Palestinian country, the relevant territory was controlled by the British, and the British in turn did their best to exclude Jewish refugees before during and after the holocaust to placate local Arab opinion, which was intensely hostile to Jewish immigration. There is a good academic paper for someone to write on where the myth of Palestinian Arabs welcoming Jewish refugees came from and how it became a bizarre dogma
@BwcOrsonInDenve@davereaboi I mean, any explanation that's not accidental friendly fire.
The findings that it was attacked on is perceived to be an Egyptian ship in one manner or another. In chaos of war and then immediate admission of error. That's really only plausible narrative.
@Frances_Coppola It would help your argument if you could do simple math. or read your own statement. You can't even get your numbers right.
And you also seem to be unaware that Jews have been living in Jerusalem. and have been praying for its restoration and focused on it and also conquered it
@RabbiPoupko What's funny about this conspiracy theory is that the only plausible explanation for a purposeful attack is American NSA spying to defeat the defense of Israel.
@Will_Tanner_1 How is he incompetent?
Is able to contain himself vs bailiffs?
Does he eat dirt?
This is same excuse all violent bullies use. But somehow they contain themselves in front of consequences.
@kav_hayashar Can someone explain how a penitentiary is supposed to fix this, what penitentance is there to be had?
This girl won't be brought back from dead and he will still be evil in 100 years.
@eigenrobot Whales are fish. Fish can refer to any sea-life. Hence, starfish, cuttlefish, etc.
Important. Not sure why this isn't requirement, at least culturally taboo to not; to make sure your mate understands proper pedantry.
"Mostly Peaceful" Fakistanians
Do these people have the memory of a goldfish?
Wait until the reread the debunk that Jews neither steal wafers and stab them or have conjugal canines.
A common response I've received is "well Palestinian car rammings are common, so the soldier acted reasonably."
But Palestinians NOT ramming cars is far more common. There are 334,000 registered vehicles in WB/JS and Gaza, but only a hundred or so rammings in the recent years.
Rammings when they happen is also frequently happen at checkpoints and junctions. Gush Etzion / Efrat Junction is a spot you see come up, for example. Palestinian lone wolf terrorists usually are doing some premeditated attack someplace. It's not Palestinians in their own neighborhoods like Tel Rumeida in Hebron spur of the moment ramming Jews or Israelis down.
Additional context is that Maariv news reports that a band of regular IDF soldiers were doing some sort of preemptive operation a few minutes after 7 p.m. while it was still daylight. They were in Hebron (Tel Rumeida) doing a preemptive operation.
A soldier who was in the back of the crew (Maariv reporting him as being "one of the fighters in the force, who was last in the order of movement of the force movement on foot") saw a car that he says he thought was accelerating towards them.
The IDF said in statement that the soldiers "perceived a vehicle accelerating toward them" and one of the soldiers "responded with single shots toward the vehicle".
Elsewhere, Reuters reports the grandmother of the baby says the car stopped when they saw the soldiers in the distance. She says that they initially thought the soldier's shots were warning shots.
The grandmother said "[o]ne bullet struck my grandson, traversed his face and crossed his head, striking his mother's cheek where it lodged". It also grazed the father's finger. The mother is still in the hospital according to the grandma.
So to me it looks like somebody was a moron who was supposed to shoot in the air and instead shot at the car.
More facts could come out. But the IDF itself says innocents were killed and this is worth a military police investigation.