Landon Pontius

Creative Director, Former Disney Imagineer.
Philosophy Dabbler.

[Landon Pontius @LandonPontius]

@P_Odrowaz I’m not sure how to say why conscious experience itself “matters” since I’m arguing that’s a term that references experience. (Still open to an alternative)

Experience is the only thing we can’t be wrong about. You can’t believe you’re having an experience and be wrong. Fair?

[Landon Pontius @LandonPontius]

@P_Odrowaz Because our wellbeing depends on the wellbeing of others.
Are you intentionally not answering the question about other views or value that don’t relate to consciousness, or are we agreed?

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@WB_Baskerville I certainly wouldn’t claim that any worldview is totally “scientific” but what would be an example of mystical or “woo” beliefs that you think are common for secular people?

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@RayComfort This is foolish: first you present a naive false dichotomy Nothing vs Self Creation and then using a handful of isolated quotes to try and argue that all atheists actually do believe nothing created everything but “refuse to admit it.”

It’s childish. I do not believe that. So?

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@LizardWizardBTC @gabriel1 I agree, I suspect the AIs will develop a lot of intuition and prediction over time.

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@P_Odrowaz What is the other option? I’m open to hearing one.
Everyone’s conscious experience matters, reason and relational ontology constrain what is moral though. We want sustainable value across time that can scale universally.

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@P_Odrowaz Not everything we want, that’s where morality comes in. My point is that “optimally good” is an assessment, a judgement, saying something like “god is good” is only meaningful if we’re implying something about our own interests

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@P_Odrowaz If/when all the lights go out, the value would go out too. Which has no bearing on current value…if anything I think it increases it bc it’s more rare and more precious

[Landon Pontius @LandonPontius]

@P_Odrowaz The value is in the experience. Is a song worthless just because it ends? Of course not. You can make a strong argument that elements of life are worth MORE because they end.

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@P_Odrowaz And “optimally good” correlates to things we want, right? Health, happiness, relationships, etc ?

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@P_Odrowaz It’s the domain of value because it’s the only option. Value is a qualitative determination. Again, you are welcome to offer another option but this is the only coherent view that im aware of.

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@P_Odrowaz Because conscious experience is the domain of value. Value is not a coherent thing without conscious experience. We don’t have moral concern for rocks. You can offer another view but if you think it really matters, it will need to appeal to experience

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@P_Odrowaz If following gods morality wasn’t ultimately better for you and would lead you to well-being/flourishing (aka heaven) then gods authority wouldn’t make a difference.

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@P_Odrowaz There are objective judgements, I simply said “objective values” is a phrase that doesn’t make sense. It’s a category error.
In a universe without god, we still have experience/value, which is ultimately what all of this is based on (even what heaven and hell are based on)

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@P_Odrowaz Conscious experience are important…that’s what gets moral concern. But also, the analogy is really focused on how the values portion functions practically

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@P_Odrowaz It’s like health: there are clear qualities of being healthy, all else being equal everyone would prefer to be healthy rather than sick and dying…yet many people still don’t make the choices necessary to live healthily. Morality works in a similar way.

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@P_Odrowaz My view of morality does give hitler reasons. Of course he can choose to do otherwise but it’s a big weakness if your view of morality doesn’t at least give him reasons to do what is “right”

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@P_Odrowaz the implication of moral obligation (reasons) is that YOU have reasons based on the value of your own experience.
I assume you think it would have been better for hitler if he followed your moral standard, right?