Levi Israelson

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@Gambs74076 @Mark_Wilson_25 @nnahle @ShabbosK @avygal @SamNissim @Little_Ms_Nope And you maintain that view regarding a Jew who converted to Islam?

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@Matthew56193629 @Mark_Wilson_25 That's like a Muslim claiming Abraham was a Muslim.

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@Matthew56193629 @Mark_Wilson_25 So, in other words, you are against the use of the word "Christian" l, not because it is inaccurate, but because its very presence may be a barrier to proselytization efforts.

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@Matthew56193629 @Mark_Wilson_25 Then basically you are claiming all religious and traditional Jews are not true sons of Abraham.
No matter. Like I said, your opinion is not relevant.

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@Matthew56193629 @Mark_Wilson_25 Well, the Jews who convert to Christianity can always repent and return to Judaism.
The reality is that they are apostates in Judaism. That's not a lie, its simply what it is.

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@Matthew56193629 @Mark_Wilson_25 Of course they are brothers in faith since they share the same faith. A faith called Christianity.
So I use the correct and common label for that, Christian. They should too.

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@Matthew56193629 @Mark_Wilson_25 Yet the OP, who is articulating Christian beliefs in discussion of the status of Jews who became Christian, did not mention the word ONCE.
And this is not the only time I have noticed this phenomenon.
Its not a dirty word. If they are Christian (and they are) SAY SO.

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@Matthew56193629 @Mark_Wilson_25 A while ago in a forum I was in, a missionary who called himself a Messianic Jew provided a definition of "Christian" that I noted encompassed his own beliefs yet he never called himself that.
Jews who believe in Jesus are Christian. It is at the core of Christianity.

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@Matthew56193629 @Mark_Wilson_25 Still doesn't change the fact that Judaism exists and has its own views and beliefs.
Not saying that you have to agree.

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@Matthew56193629 @Mark_Wilson_25 Incorrect. The difference between you and I is that we have two *fundamentally different* belief sets that extend to far more than the identity of the Messiah.

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@Matthew56193629 @Mark_Wilson_25 Again, what your personal views are are not relevant to how Judaism views matters.

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@Matthew56193629 @Mark_Wilson_25 The problem here with the OP is that not only is that *not* taken into consideration let alone mentioned but he applies his own criteria based on his own beliefs.
This directly ties in with the absence of two words.

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@Matthew56193629 @Mark_Wilson_25 Whatever your personal opinion of what you label as Rabbinical Judaism is is irrelevant. The fact remains it is Judaism and it defines its own criteria.
That criteria can then be applied to the status of Jews who take of Christian beliefs.

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@Matthew56193629 @Mark_Wilson_25 Belief is a fundamental concept in Judaism.
The thing is its not Christian beliefs.

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@Matthew56193629 @Mark_Wilson_25 The question was regarding Jews who ended up believing in Jesus and what their specific status is.
To determine that, you apply criteria based on what Judaism says.
What the OP has to say about it is irrelevant.

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@Matthew56193629 @Mark_Wilson_25 I am referring to Judaism, the Jewish faith.
All religions have the right to self define and in fact, do.
So, for example, if you wished to determine if a certain group that claims to be Christian is really Christian, you would apply criteria from Christianity. Same here.