@banashar12@Aljazannai@Tasdghj1@copperskin722 lmfao E-M215 is more than 40k yo that Natufian was certainly not M215 and even if the most downstream he had was actually E-M215* then it wouldn’t help your argument cuz he would be negative on both M35 and M78 which are both older than him making him impossible to father Z1902😂
@banashar12@Aljazannai@Tasdghj1@copperskin722 E-V65 is not even Levantine, E-Z1902 earliest carrier is a almost fully ibm-like Capsian native hunter gatherer with just a little WHG touch, same for IAM with E-L19 so don’t shit on J for being introduced in CHL/Bronze Age cuz urs not found at all
@banashar12@Aljazannai@Tasdghj1@copperskin722 E-CTS4236 being Berbers make very much sense because both modern and ancient levantines never carry that slop, again Semitic people carried both Iraq_C lines (J1 J2 G2a etc) and Levant_N lines E-M84 E-V22 T-M70 but E-M81 is NOWHERE found anywhere stop larping it as Semitic
@banashar12@Aljazannai@Tasdghj1@copperskin722 Ah yes Berbers are the true Israelites and actual Iron Age levantines are fake with their hurrian J1, the shitty uncivilized guanche that is related to you is also an Israelite, the Middle East are just perso-hurrians and chleuh are the true noble Semitic, tales of @banashar12
@banashar12@Aljazannai@Tasdghj1@copperskin722 Oldest T is from the levant that’s actually one of the haplogroup that is almost certainly from the levant by your logic anything that isn’t E-Z830 derived isn’t levant including your shitty sanhaja haplogroup which was found nowhere other than in Morocco with 100% ibm ancestry
@banashar12@Tasdghj1@copperskin722 Bro that literally just proved the opposite I am so dead 😭 it literally says J1 never appeared in the Persian plateau till Bronze Age and you know what’s funny ? Is that the J1 carriers of Dinka tepe and Hasanlu have syro-mesopotamian profiles and were straight up foreigners 😂
@banashar12@Aljazannai@Tasdghj1@copperskin722 Well Iberomaurusian is half Levantine/Eurasian so no shit, when you compare IAM with Natufian and ssa it’s not the same as you compare it with ibm and Natufian, genetically they were fully descended from ibm he already showed you the proof
@banashar12@Tasdghj1@copperskin722 Nice ragebait like 80-90% of Maghreb J1 is just FGC7 and arrived like during 1000s-1100s, Rustamids was just a Berber state with a ruling Persian dynasty, if anything they probably had J2a/R1a or if J1 then non P58 J1
@banashar12@Tasdghj1@copperskin722 lmfao show proof for each of the 3 samples then, the downstream snps are missing they we're probably just E-Z830 too, E and E-M215 are 60k/40k years and Natufian samples are known for being extremely low cov and unstable, at this point I'd rather trust a E-M78* Ibm w ur logic
@banashar12@Tasdghj1@copperskin722 LMFAOOOO what is this logic, the E E-M215 E-M35 are just bullshit coverage, by that shitty logic I’d rather take a Iberomaurusian sample with E-M78* rather than a fucking E-M215 Natufian sample with 40k snps left as the ancestor of E-Z1902
@banashar12@Tasdghj1@copperskin722 So you’re logic is E-M78>E-Z1902
Which doesn’t descend from both
E-M78>E-FT373000 and
E-Z830>E-M123
Is Natufian although the earliest E-Z1902 is 100% ibm but oh because Taforalt is FR373000 that means they all had it and somehow it’s Z830 Natufian is the father (no E-M78 btw)
@banashar12@Tasdghj1@copperskin722 Bro that’s because those papers talk about el khoutifa samples who are Levantines mutted with locals , they probably labeled them as capsians
@banashar12@Tasdghj1@copperskin722 By Levantine I don’t mean upper Paleolithic bro are you trolling ? Natufian can be modeled as 1/3 ibm 2/3 dzudzuana and ibm can be modeled as 2/3 Natufian 1/3 ssa it doesn’t matter that’s not the topic, Z1902 is 99% more likely to be ibm than Natufian what are you smoking
@banashar12@Tasdghj1@copperskin722 Lmfao pure bs Djebba samples like I20825 are almost 100% Iberomaurusian with 0% near eastern dna and carry Z1902, you say taforalt is FR373000 which is true but Natufian highest resolution Y-dna is Z830 with one upgraded to M123 so no E-M78 at all until Levant_N with E-Z1919