Husband to Cassie, Dad to Micah & Malachi, Senior Pastor @FBCDiana, M.Div. @SBTSAlumni, and Ph.D. Student @MBTSDoctoral (Baptist History & Political Theology).
Funny how drag queen story hour is a blessing of liberty but saying a no-no word to a foreign sex offender who is harassing you and your child at a park is crime
“the use of women in military combat is both contrary to nature and inconsistent with the Word of God.”
~ OPC, 68th General Assembly, “Report of the Committee on Women in the Military and in Combat”
I think Baptists do (and must) pull back from Wolfe's full strategy, but I also know that some Baptists in history have been far warmer to most of his theory and proposed practice than you are.
Soft-establishmentarianism is not the same as Church-State-establishment. It's as though many Baptists only hear State-Church when CNs say anything about the government promoting true religion... and this is a misunderstanding.
Some CN guys may indeed want a State-Church, but this is not definitional to a Christianized society (or Christian nation) where government promotes and embraces Christianity above any other religion. In fact, this is exactly what Americans had throughout the 1800s and a good portion of the 1900s.
It's wild to me that any Evangelical would be more worried about (i.e., give more time and attention to) Christian nationalism than all the perverse, corrupt, civilization-threatening developments in American culture on the left.
Those CN guys want to force everyone to adhere to a Christian ethic (not coerce faith, which is impossible), promote mere Christianity as a kind of civic religion (which America had for its first century and a half), and make ordered society and loves great again (which is necessary for civilization).
Those leftist socialists want to take all your stuff (economic communism), androgenize your kids (with the infinite alphabet list of genders and sexual deviations), and destroy your world (remove borders, police, and western law).
How is this even a question? What are we even doing?
"A common criticism I get here at BNG is this: 'Why do you have to keep talking about Donald Trump and Christian nationalism all the time? Could you please change the subject?'
Let's talk about it."
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Bro, sorry if I wasn't clear. I think you've received me similar to the way Jeff has.
I wasn't talking about pastors and their local churches... but about religious news outlets (like BNG). Their repeated antagonism toward brethren with a more aggressive political strategy is preposterous to me when considering the lefts antics and goals.
Jeff, I think I may have been misunderstood here. I was pointing out a critique of this particular news outlet, and I certainly do think it's representative of a lot of anti-CN stuff I've seen on social media.
I was not criticizing Ben or others like him, necessarily. I think he's exemplary of a good faith conversation partner... though he and I don't see eye to eye on this subject.
Also, I agree with your assessment regarding pastoral wisdom of addressing concerns among his own congregation.
Lastly... ouch... if you're aiming the "echo-chamber blasting" at me. I may be guilty, but that's not my intention or self-perception. I'll consider it, though.
1st, I’ve seen none of the opposition to CN exhibiting a balanced attack on leftist ridiculousness. Walking and chewing is a good aim, but that’s not typically how it works.
2nd, “unbiblical utopianism”?! This is a gross misrepresentation of Wolfe (or Wilson, et. al.). Pick at their methods all you like, but the goal of notable CN guys is identical to yours when it comes to the narrower mission of the gathered church, the evangelistic witness of Christians in the world, and the necessity of genuine conversions.
ANALYSIS: “Today’s evangelicals bear little resemblance to 19th and early-20th century evangelicals in their social attitudes and aspirations.”
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@crwiley1962 Secularism was indeed a gambit, and Christians must come to grips with the fact that Secularism can and has become its own religious opposition to civic Christianity.
The solution? It seems to me that only a recovery (or establishment) of civic Christianity will do.
For the last several months, I've been doing a deeper dive into Baptist political theology. I'm trying to uncover (what I perceive to be) a rich and robust history of Baptists who did not want a complete separation of church and state.
This research has led me down interesting trails of political argument and thought in America, and I'm eager to learn more.
If you know some good primary resources (books, essays, newspaper articles, public speeches, audio recordings) of folks who argued against individualistic liberalism and/or religious pluralism, then point me to them.
I'm especially interested in Baptist leaders from the 1800s, but I'll also take non-Baptist political theorists and/or practitioners.
Normies can say this stuff all day every day, but none of them will get the airtime, ear-time, or consideration that @elonmusk is getting here.
More men with public influence and presence need to speak out like this.
Thanks, Elon. America is better because of you.
On the last day, Christians with different languages and cultures will all stand before the throne of Christ to sing of His great salvation.
But today, Christians normally and appropriately gather with fellow believers in local churches that share a language and culture.
Religion is the sun of any civilization.
Ethics, economics, art, law, and norms (like planets in a solar system) are necessarily and inevitably ordered by religion. And a particular people are the embodiment of the system (i.e., sun and planets, religion and civilization) at a distinct point in human history.
In America, we are experiencing a battle of suns with different accompanying planetary systems, disconnected and conflicting religions and peoples all vying for the top spot in whatever will be the new order.
Multiculturalism and religious pluralism (which were never the goals or aspirations of America's founders) have produced a nation of orphans who know neither their heritage nor themselves.
Thus, Americans (whatever that means right now) have no unified perspective of the present or vision for the future.
God (by which I mean the triune God of the Christian Bible) help us.
A lot of those who want religious pluralism in America (i. e., no civic promotion of one religion over others) seem to think that religion itself is merely intellectual and spiritual (not cultural, political, or practical).
Once you understand that there is inevitably a distribution in the world of Christian, Muslim, and Secular civilizations (i. e., societies, polities, peoples, and cultures), then you must come to grips with the fact that these cannot coexist in a coherent body politic. One (or maybe some unnamed other) will eventually rise to the top as the unifying sun, around which all the planets of civilization orbit with synchronous order.
@ColtonYarbro Excellent!
Maybe poker is just not your game. I know… let’s have a spelling contest.
I can quote the entire movie if you’d like. Waiting for my youngest son to age a bit more (because of all the language) before I make him watch it 100 times with me.