I am truly perplexed that so many people are against mosques being built...
I think it should be the goal of every Western Society to be tolerant regardless of their religious beliefs. Thus mosques should be allowed, in an effort to promote tolerance.
That is why I also propose that two nightclubs be opened next door to the mosque, thereby promoting tolerance from within the mosque. We could call one of the clubs, which would be gay, "The Turban Cowboy ", and the other a topless bar called "You Mecca Me Hot."
Next door should be a butcher shop that specializes in pork, and adjacent to that an open-pit barbecue pork restaurant, called "Iraq o' Ribs."
Across the street there could be a lingerie store called "Victoria Keeps Nothing Secret ", with sexy mannequins in the window modeling the goods.
Next door to the lingerie shop there would be room for an adult sex toy shop, "Koranal Knowledge ", its name in flashing neon lights, and on the other side an off-licence called "Morehammered."
All of this would encourage Muslims to demonstrate the tolerance they demand of us, so their mosque issue would not be a problem for others.
Last night, I read the entirety of C.S. Lewis' The Screwtape Letters. It's a novel told in the form of letters written by a demon to another demon instructing him on ways to manipulate his "patient" to do evil.
This one quote sounded familiar.
Britain had a moment of silence for George Floyd. Our politicians kneeled en masse to show their outrage at his killing. "I can't breathe" became a slogan.
George Floyd died on the other side of the world. He wasn't British.
Henry Nowak *was* British and his treatment by the police was shocking and negligent in the extreme. Yet there is no minute of silence. There is no coordinated public campaign. There is no kneeling at sporting events.
And we all know why.
During the summer of BLM, some people said "All Lives Matter". This was treated as the highest form of racism and anyone who said this was immediately cancelled. Why? Because the people in charge don't actually think all lives matter in the same way.
They have created a racial hierarchy of victimhood where a career criminal who died through mistreatment by police in a foreign country with 0 evidence of racism like George Floyd is automatically sanctified because of the colour of his skin.
And Henry Nowak, a British man, one of ours, is automatically dismissed and ignored because of the colour of his.
This is the ugly fruit of so-called "anti-racism", an obsession with race that has created a two-tier society which treats people differently because of the colour of their skin.
This needs to stop.
@manateeVdugong@dmndeyes@esjesjesj@philthatremains I guess there's no way of knowing for sure. But that would be the only way of allowing discrimination that should be allowed while staying consistent and treating all people as equal
@manateeVdugong@dmndeyes@esjesjesj@philthatremains You may again be attributing to bigotry that which can be attributed simply to a difference in perspective. The vast majority of anti abortion people are against it out of love for the unborn rather than hate for the mother
@manateeVdugong@dmndeyes@esjesjesj@philthatremains Yeah people should be able to do whatever they want with their own business. Whether that means refusing someone for any reason they wish or not. I think society is at a point where that is possible and we can maintain that consistency everywhere (is my overarching perspective)
@manateeVdugong@dmndeyes@esjesjesj@philthatremains What specifically makes something bigoted though? There must be an objective measure for legality. And if you can't create an objective measure, then either all discrimination is fine or none of it is
@manateeVdugong@dmndeyes@esjesjesj@philthatremains You surely can't believe though that all Trump supporters are bigoted? That's like saying all diehard religious people are homophobic. How do you know what they believe?
And if discrimination is illegal and concrete, how is political or religious discrimination any different?
@manateeVdugong@dmndeyes@esjesjesj@philthatremains But who is to say what is bigoted? I'm not fully across the original context of this thread, but are you saying voting for a right wing candidate in and of itself bigoted?
@manateeVdugong@dmndeyes@esjesjesj@philthatremains So it's more about the individual choice of the supplier
Do you think a baker should be able to refuse to bake a cake for a gay wedding? Not that it's a good thing, just legally.
Btw my position is that the business owner should be able to refuse service for any reason
@manateeVdugong@dmndeyes@esjesjesj@philthatremains So would you support, for example, not allowing a Muslim man into your store based on the fact that they believe homosexuality is wrong? And that they publicly state that belief as part of their religion?
@manateeVdugong@dmndeyes@esjesjesj@philthatremains What categorises these people as bigots? Who gets to make that decision? Some religions certainly would have "bigoted" views based on whatever definition you give. So is religious discrimination okay?
@manateeVdugong@dmndeyes@esjesjesj@philthatremains I don't disagree with any of that. Discrimination is discrimination though. Refusing to do business (or play for) right wing customers is the same as refusing gay customers
@manateeVdugong@dmndeyes@esjesjesj@philthatremains Yes I could believe that. I am aware that intelligence leans left. But I also believe (without evidence) in the meme of the smartest few lean conservative.
The original argument though was about choice. If you political views are predetermined, it proved the original point wrong