@hunvreus@Altimor What law is “IP law”? IP law describes a category of protections that includes patents, copyrights, trademarks… which of those protections did these companies transgress in your view?
This is why access to open weights matters - GLM 5.2 is 85% cheaper but nearly identical performance.
Really impressive to see how well Grok 4.5 perform here, on a set of benchmarks that labs are not training against.
New: we ran ~2100 scored runs on open-weight models and lab models and found some big surprises. Grok (@spacexai) was the value leader, and GLM (@Zai_org) is super close to the frontier. I guess this is why the 'labs' are nervous... https://t.co/BjpVf9QFk2
@Altimor@woke8yearold If I find a foreign co that was stealing from my company, can I get the government to block them in the USA, based just on my allegation? Or is this only for Anthropic?
@Altimor@gabrielnocode Do you think there is any standard or burden that Anthropic must meet in order to get government protection from someone they accuse of “stealing”? Is anthropic’s accusation all you need? Is this a special deal for Anthropic or do other companies get it too?
@Altimor@woke8yearold What you are proposing is the opposite! Enforcement without any judgement! At least get the judgement first!
And the enforcement isn’t against Chinese companies — it’s against *american* companies, restraining them from using open weight models.
@woke8yearold@Altimor Generally in this country we have civil remedies for this, and they first require companies to prove their allegations in court. Anthropic has not even attempted to do this.
@Altimor Drugs are protected by patent laws. Anthropic is welcome to file patents and try to protect their innovations in that way. But they have not done so! So I think this is a very very silly analogy.
@jasonlk The immediate benefit is that frontier models are somewhat bloated. Which is why it’s so easy for app cos to beat frontier model performance on specialized tasks by distilling an open model. We don’t need our LLM to write sonnets, just SQL. Smaller, specialized wins.
I would say this is the dumbest episode of mass delusion I've ever seen in my life, but I lived through the 2020s. Anyway, I truly did not see the leading lights of the industry joining forces with the anti-datacenter crowd, yet here we are.
@garrytan I am very much in favor of "old" founders, having the misfortune to be considered one myself at this point. But that chart ends in 2020! I suspect things have trended WAY younger in the last 3 years.
@estill01@lessin Even without API access, if you build a product where queries and responses (to say nothing of traces) are visible to the end user it may be hard to prevent distillation. And without queries and responses visible to your customer, hard to see how you make money.
If Anthropic is right and distillation is impossible to prevent, it follows that the strategic value of anyone opening a lead on frontier model capabilities is short-lived, and national security arguments for protectionism fall apart. If china pulls ahead we can distill them!
@KatieS@USWREMichael@SarahKHeck@AnthropicAI@DeptofWar I think it is the transparent and cynical way that Anthropic is asking to be awarded a state-mandated duopoly in the name of “national security” at the expense of every other business, while simultaneously blocking the military’s ability to use it for national security.
@lessin It may be that it’s impossible to use these things commercially without opening yourself to some form of distillation or reverse engineering, particularly as distillation gets more sophisticated.
@zachtratar@Altimor There is trade secret theft. Copyright violations. Patent infringement. “Intellectual property theft” is not a thing — at least not with the force of law.