@Historianluce@Imullium@Herald0fManwe George makes it so obvious, if you have even the smallest amount of media literacy lol.
There’s a reason Tywin dies shitting on the toilet & the first thing Cersei/Jamie think about when seeing his corpse is how disgusting it smells.
@fornynseven@JessyMav@livieprqts Lmao, just no.
It’s a fandom wiki. It’s not affiliated with HBO in any official capacity.
We’re BOTH speculating. It just comes down to whose argument people choose to believe & it’s not even that deep: we’re arguing about fictional characters on a make-believe fantasy show.
@Imullium@Historianluce@Herald0fManwe I never said Tywin wasn’t smart.
I said he’s not as calculating as Charles Dance’s portrayal makes him out to be. Which is objectively true.
Book Tywin is smart enough to take advantage of other’s mistakes & a smart administrator. He’s not a calculating mastermind, however.
@fornynseven@JessyMav@livieprqts Book canon is presumed default, unless shown/stated otherwise by the show.
The show hasn’t said either way what the rules are pertaining to the royal family & the ranks they possess. Therefore, we’re forced to turn to the books.
@SeraSolitaire@enchantellee Honestly, I think this is why like 99% of adaptations of popular works fail.
The person(s) adapting think they can tell a better story than the original creators.
I think GoT + D&D opened the door for showrunners who dgaf about the source material.
@SigurdStormhand@MrChickenRider@seanw_m@ArthurMacwaters Nah, you’re just insufferable.
Idgaf if you acquiesce to my points. You are entitled to your opinions about history, me & this entire thread.
I just want no part in any interaction that involves you from this point on. So, as I said. Leave me alone. Debate’s over bro.
@fornynseven@JessyMav@livieprqts Her father is a Targaryen Prince, which makes her a member of House Targaryen & therefore a Princess. Princes/Princesses aren’t just children of the reigning monarch.
Members of the Royal Family outrank any other noble/lord, unless that lord is too a member of the Royal house.
@maecaeron@livieprqts Both in ASOIAF & irl, Princes would’ve had a boy whose job it was to take the beating for them.
Laying a hand, like that, on a member of the royal family, regardless of context, means death or loss of said hand.
Otherwise, it opens the royal family up to attack.
@SigurdStormhand@MrChickenRider@seanw_m@ArthurMacwaters Omfg dude, drop it.
Going back & forth with you is boring. You’re boring. You have preconceived ideas that, unless a person is willing to put in an overwhelming amount of effort, you’re unwilling to change.
That’s tiring. It’s boring. You’re boring. Move on man
@Historianluce@Imullium@Herald0fManwe 100% Charles Dance makes you think everything that happened was a result of Tywin’s calculating plan.
In the books, dude just got lucky & was the only one willing to use any means to win. As a result came he came out on top.
He’s not dumb obvs but he isn’t Littlefinger either
@Imullium@Historianluce@Herald0fManwe Except he’s not. Charles Dance is so charismatic in the role that audiences sided with the character.
Book Tywin isn’t all that politically savvy. Everything he has, was gifted to him at birth: his wealth & titles. His only advantage is his willingness to commit mass murder
@SigurdStormhand@MrChickenRider@seanw_m@ArthurMacwaters So, using the 1 source you provided: Wikipedia we can determine that “slaves brought back as prisoners of war contributed to the workforce” on the Colosseum.
What was coincided with the construction of said Colosseum? Could it be the one, that the spoils of which funded it?🤔
That’s exactly why it’s my favourite genre!
I can read about a the chosen one’s struggle against evil incarnate in one chapter & in the next I’m reading about farmer Dave’s struggle with crop rotation.
(I include SciFi as fantasy too btw but that’s a convo for another time)
This just goes to show how stupid the high/low fantasy definitions are.
You could plausibly put ASOIAF into either one of these categories & make solid arguments to back your decision.
That’s not what low fantasy means. Low fantasy does not mean less magic, it means it takes place in the real world. High fantasy is in a fictional world. Westeros/Essos are not real.
I wish we’d just stop using these two “sub-genres”. At some point, no matter close it is to our reality, a text will require some suspension of disbelief from the reader.