@JohnStreicher1 I mean ok. Sure. Die on this sword of semantics. Again many positions don't require a PhD. They require some of the attributes of a PhD that can also be gained elsewhere. I still await all the learnings of your experience outside of academia. Good luck.
@JohnStreicher1 The value. Is the process of doing one. Which I also stated. Not the title of PhD. I'll wait for your extensive experience outside the ivory tower. Or are you another person. Who wants cheap labour to continue to afford yourself the opportunity to think you know better.
@JohnStreicher1 I also hate to burst your bubble. She is right. Meaningless is a little far. But they are not as highly valued as the people selling them as essential in the Ponzi scheme that is academia.
@JSheltzer Interesting data. Money obviously is part of this transition. But this doesn't encapsulate the whole story. The toxic workplaces. The gatekeeping. The exploitation. Tenured academics despite throwing their arms up in the air saying nothing can be done. Are part of this problem.
@paganforge@ATinyGreenCell At the very least you can collect other angry people as followers on twitter. You can all be angry together about other people not conforming. Peace out. Wishing you all the best.
@paganforge@ATinyGreenCell It's basically I have my position. Irrespective of any evidence I hear to the contrary. I'm sticking to it no matter what. Not very scientific really. Which is Ironic. Or maybe it is the way of modern science. Collect lots of white swans to prove your hypothesis.
@paganforge@ATinyGreenCell Aggression towards people (rip this guy a verbal new one) when they don't conform to your view. Is not only stupid. It doesn't help your cause. The open source movement has noble intentions but is basically like a cult. Many mechanisms to create impact in the world.
@academic_exit@FromPhDtoLife Academia creates an illusion of freedom. Whilst trapping you in a permissiom driven environment where only hot trends from anointed individuals are funded albeit poorly. Outside of it. You have the opportunity to create meaningful value to others in any space you wish to work in.
@Andrew_Akbashev I await re-posts of your universities world rankings π. I denounce this league table. I've done well in this table. Immediate repost and celebration π. Wholeheartedly agree with your postion. Einstein famously withdrew one of his papers after the editor sent it for peer review.
@andrewwhite01 The only people that will eventually be left are administrators and policy wonks. All having strategy discussions, having meetings, filling out paperwork and wondering why no one wants to stay in academia.
@ClementYChow Don't also forget academia does not equal science. The best science isnt done in academia. It will just take time for academia to catch up. The death of the postdoc postion should be celebrated. Maybe academia will finally realise who creates the value. Clue it isn't the PI.
@ClementYChow Ask yourself why this is. The postdoc postion is a relatively recent and made up postion which group leaders have been abusing for as long as the postion has existed. It's fundamentally designed to keep people in their place and disproportionately enrich the contractually secure
@Andrew_Akbashev On the flip side. You have argued successfully for why academia is broken and no it's not all down to university management. Academics are part of the problem that ends ironically in some of the least rigerous science being pumped out. For zip all gain for society.