@JackFarley96 The so called combined spend by Samsung and Hynix $880bn will be spent over more than 10 years and they are already spending $90bn in 2026. So not going to move the needle. Semi equipment stocks are pricing 30%+ growth to continue for years- not an easy ask.
@oguzerkan Exactly right. Neo clouds pricing per MW of rented capacity at $10/MW is not sufficient to earn them a decent ROIC. Hyperscalers earn a better ROIC as they can sell lot of services with their cloud infrastructure.
@Sam_Badawi Both stocks are good shorts . The business model can't self finance itself and NPV of each contract is negative due to high capital intensity- asset turn of 0.1x. plus heavy obsolescence risk of GPU assets after the short duration contracts get over.
@StockSavvyShay Business model is a cash guzzler with asset turn of 0.1x and net debt to EBITDA of 10x- highly leveraged. They will need to keep diluting to fund the revenue growth. Profits will be hard to come by after netting depreciation and interest costs.
@meeijer The business model is screwed up. Very capital intensive. Growing revenues will keep requiring huge capex and continuous equity dilution. NPV of every contract is probably negative.
@damnang2 Let's not get carried away. Memory cos are making more money in legacy memory than HBM currently. Even Chinese can make legacy Dram and supply response will come eventually as current margins of 70% are too attractive. The excess profits in legacy Dram will erode over time.
@aleabitoreddit Investors should be careful of blindly buying thematic stocks. Towa has auto, medical device exposure and operating profits declined 44% in 9 months at a time when HBM has been booming. Best avoided.
@StockSavvyShay@FuturumEquities The numbers can be misleading for cyclical stocks particularly memory and also semiconductors. AMD, AVGO, LITE etc are not cheap by any standards- even after factoring supernormal growth over next few years, the 2028 PE multiples are in 20s.
Management has stopped holding conference calls and CFO has resigned. Poor corporate governance by a company majority owned by Reliance group. @CNBCTV18Live@ETNOWlive@RILretail@ju
Just dial is trading below net cash in its books. Mcap 4600cr; net cash 5800cr. Historical pe 9x. Promoters are destroying shareholder value by hoarding cash.