@Kansanparantaja@Tellit007 If you want a 30-year RCT on LDL, then I want one as well on smoking. You need to apply your logic universally, which you're never gonna do cause it doesn't fit your bias. I can site you plenty of studies on LDL, but you'll only cite a book on smoking which isn't a study.
@Kansanparantaja@Tellit007 The evidence you required for LDL is excact same evidence I'm requiring for smoking. You can't provide the evidence I'm asking for. If I can't say LDL is causal for ASCVD, then you can't say smoking is causal for lung cancer.
@Kansanparantaja@Tellit007 What I was asking for was evidence proving the relationship in isolation, which I'm still waiting for, but awesome to see you're capable of providing citations, no matter how bad you are at interpreting it
@Kansanparantaja@LookingAtYouM8@Tellit007 "I said smoking is treated as causal because the evidentiary signal is massive and coherent across multiple lines" that's not cited evidence. All you ever have are ideas and not direct evidence. I need to see studies to entertain anything. Until then, I'm done here.
@Kansanparantaja@LookingAtYouM8@Tellit007 Are you gonna provide the study that proves smoking causes lung cancer or not? Unless you have direct evidence to cite, it's an empty claim
@DawnsMission The idea that sunglasses would cause skin cancer is absurd. Perhaps people wearing sunglasses are more likely to be in the high-risk group for skin cancer
@Kansanparantaja@LookingAtYouM8@Tellit007 Can you provide the study showing smoking is an independent, causative risk factor for lung cancer, or are you a hypocrite?
@Kansanparantaja@LookingAtYouM8@Tellit007 Here you go. Also, If claim LDL is an independent, casual risk factor for ASCVD, which I believe, you're seriously not gonna ask for evidence? Now, stop avoiding the question and show me the evidence that smoking is an independent, causal risk factor for lung cancer
@Kansanparantaja@LookingAtYouM8@Tellit007 I've specifically said LDL is an independent, causative risk factor for ASCVD and you wanted evidence for that, so I'm asking for the same evidence on smoking. Where is your evidence?
@Kansanparantaja@LookingAtYouM8@Tellit007 You asked for evidence to say LDL increases risk of ASCVD under all circumstances, so I'm asking for the excact same evidence on smoking and lung cancer. Where is the evidence that smoking increases risk of lung cancer under all circumstances?
@Kansanparantaja@LookingAtYouM8@Tellit007 "We do not say smoking causes lung cancer because every possible mediator has been mapped perfectly. We say it because the signal is enormous" you just admitted smoking causes lung cancer without a 30-year RCT. Thank you for proving my point. You have major bias and it shows.
@Kansanparantaja@LookingAtYouM8@Tellit007 I already before told you that if we apply the same logic, we can't say smoking causes lung cancer, and then what did you do? You tried to explain how strong the signal with smoking and lung cancer is. That is hypocrisy and conflict of interest.
@Kansanparantaja@LookingAtYouM8@Tellit007 You have not once said "I don't know" or "I don't think there's evidence to suggest anything". Why is that? You're trying to avoid admitting it, but you're obviously taking the stance of LDL not being casual.
@Kansanparantaja@LookingAtYouM8@Tellit007 To put it short, either you have evidence demonstrating LDL alone isn't a risk factor for ASCVD, or your answer is "I don't know". There's no in between, regardless of how you try to spin it or how much you want it to be true.
@Kansanparantaja@LookingAtYouM8@Tellit007 Lack of evidence is proof of nothing. It means you don't know the answer. You can't make the claim LDL alone doesn't increase risk without evidence. Saying there's no evidence to support that LDL alone increases risk, means you can't answer "does LDL alone increase risk".
@Kansanparantaja@LookingAtYouM8@Tellit007 Instead you say you don't need evidence for that stance, while I do for saying LDL does increase risk, is being a hypocrite. You need to apply your logic universally which you're not. If I need evidence, so do you.
@Kansanparantaja@LookingAtYouM8@Tellit007 If you had said "I don't belive there's good evidence in any direction" that's a different conversation. But you claim you don't believe LDL alone doesn't increase risk of ASCVD, which you need evidence to say.