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[Big Thinker @BigthinkerBig]

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[Big Thinker @BigthinkerBig]

@gameofchance3 @fleshsimulator @spramkle It is unproven that the risk is not only higher, but substantively higher. And barring gay people from adoption seems cruel. Thats my opinion based off of my research

[Big Thinker @BigthinkerBig]

@gameofchance3 @fleshsimulator @spramkle that doesn't mean that there for perfectly healthy gay couples shouldn't be allowed to adopt children.

[Big Thinker @BigthinkerBig]

@gameofchance3 @fleshsimulator @spramkle i disagree, i think that children of crack addict prostitutes should be able to be adopted by men if they are properly vetted. the question is how to perform the vetting.

[Big Thinker @BigthinkerBig]

but there were differences between the two demographics besides just orientation do to the sampling bias. causing the children of gay parents to literally have less behavioural issues then the children of straight parents.

the gay parents sampled had a higher income on average, were more educated, and were able to on average adopt their children at a slightly younger age then the straight parents. the researchers concluded that thus the gay parents weren't just better, but that these other variables were the more important factors, and even then they observed that the difference was small.

[Big Thinker @BigthinkerBig]

That alone is not enough of a factor that should determine that all gay people, including lesbians, shouldnt be allowed to adopt. By that logic it has nothing to do with homosexuality but instead being male, and then you would extrapolate from that that men shouldnt be allowed to adopt, inspite of children being observed to have more issues in life if they dont have a father more then if they dont have a mother.

Also many people suspect that female perpetrated child abuse is severely under reported

[Big Thinker @BigthinkerBig]

The difference was specifically that children with gay parents had less behavioural issues.

And then rather then the researchers concluding that gay parents were better, they observed that the gay parents had a higher income on average then the straight parents, were more educated, and were able to adopt their children at a younger age, and concluded that the difference was do to that, and that the difference was minor.

If you argue that the difference mattered and was do to orientation, then you are arguing that gay parents are better then straight parents, which these researchers didnt conclude.

[Big Thinker @BigthinkerBig]

I dont understand the flaw with what i said. Gay men that participate in studies of homosexuality are less likely to be conservative because conservative gays are more closeted and wouldnt risk exposure by participating in a study or gay people. Meaning studies of gay peoples sex habits will exclude conservative gays

[Big Thinker @BigthinkerBig]

You cant say that gay and not degenerate is a small subset, because gay and not degenerate people are closeted and dont participate in studies, meaning its impossible to appraise how many there are.

Also, there are many hetero celebrities who celebrate having a thousand or more sexual partners, does this make it the norm? Are all straight people degenerate?

Its quite possible there are many non degenerate gays, i know a few, and its very hard for them to live with the perception that they are all perverse animals.

If you are the type of gay to respond to a study of gay people, you are likely not conservative, creating a survivership bias

[Big Thinker @BigthinkerBig]

the girl v boy thing does make sense, its just looking at raw reported cases of child sexual abuse and noting that girls tend to be abused more then boys.

the "gay party scene", is not indicative of the gay population in general, this is a survivership bias.

if you were gay and not degenerate, you wouldn't be a part of the "gay party scene", the "gay party scene", by its nature, attracts degenerate people to participate more then non degenerates.

and beyond that, even in the gay party scene, it is not the norm that they prize underage boys. predation of underage boys has definitely gone on in gay party scenes, but its not the norm. most people in the gay party scene want to party with other gay men.

[Big Thinker @BigthinkerBig]

there really is not enough anecdotes.

most child abuse and child sexual abuse incidents appear to not be homosexual.

young girls appear to be more vulnerable to child sexual abuse by men then young boys.

U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) report on sexual assault of young children (law enforcement data): Victims under age 6: 69% female.
Victims under age 12: 73% female (thus ~27% male).

also, its a phenomenon that women tend to get away with pedophillia easier then men do to less scrutiny of them being close to vulnerable children and the way they treat them. many people think that incidents of pedophillia by women are under reported, as are incidencts of murder with a female perpetrator.

also, you can't really call a man raping a boy the same thing as two men having sex. you can't call male and male pedophillia just an example of homosexuality, becuase pedophillia is markedly a different sexual orientation. homosexual men are attracted to features of male sexual maturity (andric features), pedophiles are attracted to neotony (the appearance of youth). some pedophiles prefer boys and some prefer girls, but a man who wants to have sex with boys is observably different then a man who wants to have sex with men in alot of ways.

Classic work by Kurt Freund, Ray Blanchard, and others uses penile plethysmography to measure arousal to stimuli varying by age and gender. These reliably distinguish pedophilic interests (strongest arousal to prepubescent boys/girls) from homosexual interests in adults. Homosexual pedophiles show arousal patterns to children that differ from non-pedophilic homosexual men aroused by adult men. Blanchard’s research also links fraternal birth order effects more strongly to adult homosexuality than to homosexual pedophilia in some analyses.

James Cantor and colleagues’ MRI studies find pedophilic men (regardless of gender preference) show reduced white matter connectivity ("cross-wiring"), lower gray matter in areas like orbitofrontal cortex, insula, and amygdala, and other neurodevelopmental markers (e.g., higher non-right-handedness, lower IQ on average, minor physical anomalies). These differ from patterns in non-pedophilic homosexual men. Homosexual teleiophiles (adult-attracted) do not show the same pedophilia-linked structural anomalies.

Studies by Schiffer et al. (2008) compared homosexual pedophiles to non-pedophilic homosexual controls viewing sexual stimuli. Pedophiles showed greater subcortical activation (e.g., reward/addiction-related areas) to child stimuli and differences in prefrontal/occipital regions. Ponseti et al. (2012) demonstrated that hemodynamic brain responses to visual sexual stimuli classify pedophiles vs. non-pedophiles with high accuracy, independent of the gender of the preferred child. Pedophiles activate patterns to children similar to how teleiophiles activate to adults.

Pedophilia correlates with early neurodevelopmental disruptions (e.g., head injuries before age 13, shorter stature, handedness shifts). These appear more tied to age preference than gender orientation. Reviews (e.g., Tenbergen et al. 2015) note frontal, temporal, and limbic alterations in pedophiles not characteristic of homosexuality.

i agree with you that academia is corrupt, and i don't take studies as objective proof, but they are still useful in trying to get a handle on reality.

both my parents were sexually abused as children, so this topic hits close to home to me, and i've done extensive research, and it just does not appear to be the case that gay people are heavily biased towards pedophillia.

[Big Thinker @BigthinkerBig]

@bycosmicdesign @fleshsimulator @spramkle literally no parental environment is the same

[Big Thinker @BigthinkerBig]

i literally mentioned that in the post.

"what researcher wouldn't be intimidated to publish research showing that kids of gay parents have worse outcomes"

but i also responded to that. which is that, thats just one variable in parenting, "straight or gay", but parenting is not a thing that has only one variable.

i personally know people who had crack addict prostitute moms and were put up for adoption. decent parents who are gay are better then crack addict prostitute moms.

every instance of child abuse is horrible and demonic, but there is no meaningful per capita research currently that can indicate that gay parents are more likely to abuse their kids then straight parents, and certainly not to the point that it would justify forbidding them from adopting at all.

whats more likely going on, is that there is an extreme amount of child abuse going on with foster parents and child protective services in general, and the cases with gay parents are blown up like crazy because of the click baity nature of it because the internet thrives on mud flinging.

ive met several privately gay individuals and their lives are pure hell because all they hear is the opinions of chem sex addicted freaks at gay pride parades, or people who literally think that being gay should be illegal again.

[Jeremy @jeremyct]

Boomer dad: just get a job that pays well.

Me: I have a job. It pays $58,000.

Boomer dad: that’s not bad for starting out.

Me: I’ve been here 6 years.

Boomer dad: well negotiate a raise.

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Dad: that’s something at least.

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[Uubzu v4 @uubzu]

The Jewish reaction to a guy saying “Not interested in working for a jew” is doing almost as much work for the standing of their people as the black reaction to the Karmelo Anthony verdict is doing for the standing of theirs

[Dr. Simon @goddek]

That hypocrisy. 😐

[Daniel Buck, “Youngest Old Man in Ed Reform” @MrDanielBuck]

Imagine 13 unrelenting years of this condescending "teacher talk," and you'll go a long way to understanding why young men are turning to the right

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Charlie Kirk, telling this Bozo straight!

[Big Thinker @BigthinkerBig]

also, one artifact that might explain why adoptive children of gay parents might have better outcomes then straight parents in some cases, is that there may be a financial incentive to alot of straight people to foster children, but gay people are more likely to have an incentive of just wanting to have children as opposed to a financial incentive.

[Big Thinker @BigthinkerBig]

Averett 2009; Golombok et al. longitudinal UK study; Farr et al.: These compare child behavioral/emotional problems or parenting quality in gay/lesbian vs. heterosexual adoptive families. They generally find no significant differences attributable to parental sexual orientation after controlling for pre-adoptive history (many adopted kids have prior neglect/abuse). Some report strengths in same-sex families (e.g., higher warmth/responsiveness in gay fathers in one study). They do not report rates of abuse perpetrated by the adoptive parents.

https://t.co/Nh3gidHBZQ

now i'll give you that this is one study, it is limited, and studies could be biased becuase what researcher wouldn't be intimidated to publish research showing that kids of gay parents have worse outcomes.

but the problem is that there isn't just one variable in parenting, gay parents or straight parents. and when you control for other variables, if a gay parent is other wise a decent human being, they shouldn't be barred from having children, where as there are many straight parents and straight adoptive parents who are just terrible, yet that doesn't and shouldn't mean straight people shouldn't have children.