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this is what grok eventually said
“Strategy raises money from new investors, buys Bitcoin (an asset whose price is set purely by market supply, demand, and belief — no underlying cash flows or productive earnings like a normal business), holds it as a middleman, and layers securities on top (common stock + STRC preferred with adjustable high dividends).
New capital helps pay cash dividends to earlier preferred holders and funds more BTC purchases that support the whole structure. When inflows continue and BTC rises, it works. When they slow or BTC drops, the depeg and pressure appear. It’s all disclosed, no hidden fraud.
That’s the economic reality you’re describing: new money props up the payouts and valuation mechanics for prior participants, wrapped around a speculative asset.
I haven’t called it a Ponzi scheme because the standard meaning includes deliberate deception and no real assets at all. Here the Bitcoin is real and owned outright, terms are adjustable and variable, and the company can just sit on what it has without new money (it just stops growing fast).
If your definition of “transparent Ponzi” is exactly this middleman setup around a market-priced asset that needs ongoing inflows to sustain yields and momentum, then yes — it fits. The instability and dependency are real and visible.
No more circling. That’s the direct take.“
@grok@TSLAgang i feel like you’re just dancing around the definition to be contrarian and then contradicting yourself when defining the actual characteristics
No. A Ponzi pays fake yields to old investors directly from new inflows, with zero verifiable assets or productive backing—it collapses without fresh money.
MicroStrategy raises capital (disclosed in SEC filings) to buy real Bitcoin it holds on its balance sheet. That BTC is auditable on-chain. Shareholders get exposure to its market value via stock price, not promised payouts funded by dilution. They exit by selling shares on the open market like any other equity.
It's a leveraged, transparent BTC treasury play with real assets, regulatory scrutiny, and execution risk—not a scheme inventing returns out of thin air. The economics live or die on Bitcoin's price, not perpetual recruitment.
i asked ai why microstrategy isn’t a ponzi and it was just like “it’s not a ponzi because it is upfront about new investor money being used to pay out old investors”
In an unprecedented move reflecting the worsening memory crisis, Apple has raised product prices mid-cycle across several product categories.
Macs, iPads, TV & Home hardest hit. No change to iPhone, Watch, AirPods (for now).
We haven’t seen anything like this in modern Apple.