@Rflohv2@MartFromEngland@nocontextfritzl@keewa I don't believe the tiger should be put down now.
I don't think the tiger is at fault.
I do believe, in the moment, if the opportunity arose, the tiger should have been killed to save the disabled man.
@MartFromEngland@nocontextfritzl@keewa Those are the words you chose. I didn't impose meaning on them. Whether you like it or not, "It's just Darwinism in action" has those two connotations.
@nocontextfritzl@MartFromEngland@keewa From a human perspective, humans are above other animals. It's pretty instinctive to want to save your own kin. If you saw a drowning baby and a drowning puppy, you know you would choose to save the baby.
@MartFromEngland@nocontextfritzl@keewa "The question isn't whose life you'd choose, it's if that choice ever existed."
This is not what we have been discussing, to my knowledge. This entire post is about cruelty and relative morality, not the particulars over whether or not someone was poised with a gun.
@nocontextfritzl@MartFromEngland@keewa Which is your prerogative.
Just as it is mine to find that level of inhumanity disturbing.
I don't believe in animal cruelty (I'm even a vegetarian), but I could never hold that an animal's life is worth more than a human's, regardless of relative population sizes.
@nocontextfritzl@MartFromEngland@keewa Dismissing this as 'Darwinism in action' is cruel, especially without knowledge of all the facts. It has two connotations: Darwin Award or unfit for survival. When talking about an alleged disabled man, both connotations are extremely cruel.
@MartFromEngland@nocontextfritzl@keewa "You've invented three positions I never held"
No. I didn't. I replied to you separately and addressed your question RE cruelty. I then replied to someone else, and you made a mistake thinking it was a direct reply to you. That is on you. You could just own up to it.
@MartFromEngland@nocontextfritzl@keewa We're all responding to the same hypothetical choice: man or tiger.
It's all over twitter. I wasn't aware I was the one that had started this entire 'moral dilemma'.
I choose the man because my son is profoundly autistic and I can easily imagine him in his place.
@nocontextfritzl@MartFromEngland@keewa I agree, someone should have been watching him. And in an ideal world, of course he never should have been in there. It's not the tiger's fault. But seeing as he WAS there, the question we're debating is should the tiger or the disabled man's life been saved? I choose the man.
@nocontextfritzl@MartFromEngland@keewa You don't hold a young child accountable in the same way you would an adult. You don't hold an elderly person with severe dementia accountable in the same way another adult. Well, it's the same with people with learning disabilities.
@nocontextfritzl@MartFromEngland@keewa Only eyewitness accounts ATM that are uncorroborated.
Impaired risk-awareness is a major aspect of autism. My 14-yo autistic son has to be watched constantly or he will be doing something perilous.
Accountability is relative, just as it is for all vulnerable people.
@nonregemesse It's not a question of 'Do you care about endangered species?'
It's a question of which you value more: a disabled man's life or an endangered tiger's life?
How a person answers that question is pretty revealing.
@nocontextfritzl@MartFromEngland@keewa Autism is not stupidity.
Personally, I prefer living in a society where we protect vulnerable people (children, people with dementia or learning disabilities) from the actions they may take that could do them harm.
I don't performatively go online to cheer on the tiger.
@SpencerHakimian Yes, why should we protect vulnerable individuals in society, eh? Who would want to live a country where we protect disabled people, children, and cognitively-impaired people from actions they might take that could do them harm? Let everyone fend for themselves!