FRANCE 🇫🇷
Yet ANOTHER fire in a French church
The church in Perriers Sur Andelle was the latest in a line of hundreds to burst into flames, thankfully 3 teenagers acted fast with fire extinguishers and saved the church from destruction
To my Protestant friends: I'm not Catholic because I rejected what you taught me. I'm Catholic because I passionately followed your teachings. The love of Scripture, the desire for the ancient faith, and the need to cultivate a personal relationship with Christ led me to Rome.
@Catholicizm1 Yeah. I like Michael, but I would be really mad at my husband if he did this. I hope his wife was on the set. The woman shouldn’t have dressed so scantily to be interviewed with a married man, either.
Hi Joel. Would love to discuss this with you further sometime if you’d like. You and I have had good discussion in private before, which I greatly appreciated.
First, I don’t know who this JD fellow is, so I’m completely ignoring him and whatever issues you guys may have to work out.
I’ll state my overall conclusion, and then unpack it below: some of your claims about the Church Fathers are false, and actually ignore more disturbing points on which they were unanimous.
Having studied this topic fairly thoroughly (I’m finishing writing a book on aspects of it now), I can tell you the Fathers were in fact unanimous on two topics related to the Jews near the end times:
1. They will receive Antichrist as a False Messiah (many say they will actively assist him in persecuting the Church).
2. They will convert to the Catholic Faith at the end when they receive Christ as their True Messiah.
These have been traditional Catholic belief for millennia. “Christian Zionism” is not required.
If anything, with the impending acceptance of Antichrist—who, to have a plausible claim of being “Messiah,” would, in the Jewish view, very likely be involved with or supportive of an earthly “national restoration”—a robust but loving caution would be a prudent minimum.
The issue stems less from this post, and more a previous one in which you wrote the following about the Church Fathers: “the belief that God would fulfill his promises to Israel and restore them as a nation and a people of God once the ‘fullness of the Gentiles was brought in’ was widespread among the early Church Fathers.” You then listed most of the names you quoted below.
Before getting to those quotes, there is an issue with your statement: you said “restore them as a nation and a people of God.”
The first part, national restoration, was NOT widespread among the Fathers; indeed, it’s very rare, and mostly speculation by some (such as St. Bede, for example, who you don’t cite).
Given your views, it is reasonable to think by “national restoration” you mean something like the State of Israel, since in the same post you ascribe the “re-emerging” of “Christian Zionism” as a “re-emerging” of beliefs from the Church Fathers after a supposed 1,000 years of the “state church hiding it [the Bible] from them” (a myth to address another time). None of the quotes you provided speak to a “national restoration” in the Christian Zionist sense. More on that below.
The second part, that they will be restored as “a people of God” is more true, but I think it’s more accurate to say the Church Fathers believed they would be restored TO the people of God, which they all believed was the Catholic Church in which Jew and Gentile exist on equal terms through Jesus the Messiah.
Let’s now proceed to the quotes you provided below. Sourcing wasn’t provided, but I’ll assume they are accurate for the time being:
—Tertullian + Origen: yes, standard expectation the Jews will convert to Christ (note: neither of them are Church Fathers, though they are important ancient witnesses).
—St. Jerome + St. Augustine + St. Prosper + Cassiodorus: again, standard expectation of Jewish conversion (note: Cassiodorus is also not a Church Father, but an important ancient witness).
—St. Cyril of Alexandria: the first and third quotes are, again, very standard stuff about Jewish conversion at the end. The second quote, which perhaps you think applies to the State of Israel or some other latter days “national restoration,” is actually from his Commentary on Obadiah 1:20-21, and is talking about the Jews returning to Judah from Babylon. You can find this in the “Fathers of the Church” set published by the Catholic University of America, Vol. 116, pg. 144.
So the one quote that comes closest to your actual point doesn’t make your point. St. Cyril affirms the traditional teaching on the Jews and Antichrist elsewhere (see his Commentary on John, Book 3, Ch. 2, 5:43).
Happy to discuss further if you like.
God bless.
There are millions of people in the US who have only ever gone to nondenom megachurches in their life.
When they hear the word “church”, they instinctively think “concert, arena lighting, skinny jeans, grape juice communion” and so on. They have no concept of what a church actually is. It’s all they know.
When I think of church, I think candles, hymns, pipe organ, incense, altar serving and so on. My earliest memories of being in a church consist of this.
The first time I stepped foot in a nondenom church I was confused and disoriented. I never wanted to go back.
Let us join Pope Leo XIV this month in praying for a greater respect and protection of human life in all its stages, recognizing life as a gift from God.
More Irish men went to fight for the Church in Spain than for the Communists
In no small part because of the fact that the latter were digging up the dead bodies of nuns and committing necrophilia with them, mutilating and massacring priests and torching churches
The parable of the wheat and tares growing together is, perhaps, the most difficult teaching of Jesus to obey because we all want a snug little place where we can be cozy Christians with our friends and this means we want to weed out all the people we disapprove of, all the sinners and heretics...
INDIA 🇮🇳
Hindus threaten and intimidate Catholic nuns and demand that they destroy a cemetery and chapel because of their proximity to a Hindu Temple
These Hindu men have been emboldened by EU ally Modi's party expanding into West Bengal
📹 Hinduvtawatchin
I make no bones about it if you’re a Protestant who has actually read the Bible, actually read Church history, and still chooses to remain in Protestantism, then you are outside the Body of Christ, not a part of it. I don’t say that out of hatred, but out of love and pity. I want the salvation of every person, and that is exactly why I cannot pretend Protestantism offers what it cannot. It is a bill of goods that cannot save because it stands in separation from the Church Christ established. I sincerely pray for the conversion of all Protestants to Christianity.
The early Church did not defeat Gnosticism by out-debating them on the meaning of individual verses.
They won by forcing heretics to show their papers. A thread.
@OrdinariateUSA There’s an exotic appeal to EO since it’s not very familiar in the West. If it were well known, it would likely lose a lot of that appeal. It’s much like westerners seeking out other “mysterious” types of spirituality like New Age, Buddhism, or Hinduism. At least it’s Christian.
Blessed Achilles Puchala was a Polish Franciscan priest and martyr whose life exemplified selfless pastoral care and heroic fidelity during the darkest days of World War II. Born Józef Puchała on 18 March 1911 in the village of Kosina near Łańcut in southern Poland, he grew up in a devout farming family. From an early age he showed signs of a religious vocation, entering the Franciscan minor seminary in Lviv at thirteen. There he received the religious name Achilles upon joining the Conventual Franciscans. He professed solemn vows in 1932, studied philosophy and theology in Kraków, and was ordained a priest in 1936.
After ordination he served in Franciscan communities in Grodno and Iwieniec. When war broke out in 1939 and many priests were arrested or fled, Achilles volunteered to become parish priest of the large Church of St. George in Pershai, about twenty kilometers from Iwieniec in what is now Belarus. He quickly earned the affection of his parishioners by helping poor families with material aid, comforting the suffering, and working to free those imprisoned by the occupiers. In 1940 another Franciscan, Herman Stępień, joined him as assistant.
In the summer of 1943, after Polish partisans attacked nearby German forces, the Nazis launched brutal reprisals known as Operation Hermann. On 19 July SS units rounded up two to three hundred villagers from Pershai, intending to execute them. Achilles and Herman had the chance to hide or escape but chose instead to join their people. Achilles declared that shepherds must not abandon their flock. The Germans drove the group to a barn in the nearby settlement of Borowikowszczyzna. There the two priests were separated, tortured, and burned alive when the barn was set on fire. Local Catholics later recovered their charred remains and buried them with honor in the parish church at Pershai, where relics are still venerated today.
Pope John Paul II beatified Achilles Puchala on 13 June 1999 in Warsaw as one of the 108 Martyrs of World War II. His feast is observed on 19 July, the day of his death, and also on 12 June with the wider group of Polish martyrs. In an era of totalitarian terror, Blessed Achilles stood out as a quiet yet courageous witness who placed the care of souls above personal safety, reminding the Church that true priesthood means walking with the flock even unto death. His example continues to inspire faithfulness and sacrificial love in ordinary and extraordinary times alike.
@Bar_tolmi That explains the very phony demeanor of nearly everyone when you attend LDS sacrament meetings & ward & stake functions. Having doubts & losing one’s testimony is stigamatized, so they’re all trying to keep up appearances.
Priest-friend got a call this week from an elderly parishioner asking if he had any need for the old high altar that's been sitting in his garage for the last 50+ years.
The idea of an entire generation of viejitas quietly saving these things for a future generation of priests is kind of wild.
It'll be reinstalled in the parish within the next six months.