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Hoping to spread the joy of the Lord, which comes about when we gladly submit to His Spirit and word.

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To think biblically about sin, we have to believe God is both able and willing to radically transform the desires of sinners who seek Him.

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@AlsoACarpenter I prefer the vengeful warrior God of the Bible, but I get your point.

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@Streaksfriend @campbell_elroy @_taylor_TJ Those are good, but the social fabric of society is collapsing rapidly the last 100 years. Sexual liberation, single parenting, abortion, homosexuality, transgenderism, sexualization of children, public indecency, shilling for increasingly larger corporations, loss of respect

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@Streaksfriend @campbell_elroy @_taylor_TJ No, but 1) we’re thankfully a democratic republic, not a full democracy, 2) things are getting worse and worse, and 3) we’re simultaneously getting more and more democratic.

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@nelaeryn71 @PhilipBPayne And that’s what I’ve seen from a lot of egalitarian theologians.

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@nelaeryn71 @PhilipBPayne Saying “men and women aren’t interchangeable” while advocating for men and women doing nearly all the same things at every level of society is just double-speak. It’s believing in interchangeability while simply saying otherwise.

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@AmberLe88181775 @MargMowczko @PhilipBPayne It begs the question, then, why did God not raise women much more frequently?

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@AmberLe88181775 @MargMowczko @PhilipBPayne The man names the entirety of womankind (2:23), as he had named the animals. The man is to normatively initiate in marriage (2:24). God seeks answers from the man first after the Fall. God is concerned the man (with no mention of his wife) might become immortal, etc.

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@AmberLe88181775 @MargMowczko @PhilipBPayne Gen 2 is a patriarchal chapter: the man is created as firstborn, bearing the name of all humanity. God then seeks for someone to aid him on his mission. God decides an animal won’t do a makes for the man a woman like him. She is teleological dependent on the man.

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@AmberLe88181775 @MargMowczko @PhilipBPayne I also believe women can work, and it’s good when they’re economically savvy, yes.

Gender roles are also not rigid absolutes. They are normatives. Life is complex, and many norms are layered. And there are times to temporarily depart from a norm.

But the norm is still a norm.

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@JollyStine @gzusluvsu @PhilipBPayne You’re implicitly assuming our culture is correct in seeing female leadership as appropriate and not shameful. That may be true, but it needs to be thoroughly demonstrated—esp since God has felt comfortable accommodating patriarchy through history in ways He hasn’t egalitarianism

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@nelaeryn71 @PhilipBPayne I’m not sure if that’s exactly what you believe, but it’s the most common presupposition underlying Christian egalitarian anthropology.

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@nelaeryn71 @PhilipBPayne Not flaming up, sorry if it came off that way.

I agree “proof-texting” is not productive, but neither is failing to heed God. The notion that men and women are essentially interchangeable is modern, highly unintuitive, and requires a super abundance of evidence to justify.

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@AmberLe88181775 @MargMowczko @PhilipBPayne As for the feminine metaphors used of God, yes, they are there, but they are short, rare, and not controlling. The defining metaphors are masculine.

Further, even the feminine metaphors of God endorse traditional feminine virtues: childrearing, motherhood, etc.

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@AmberLe88181775 @MargMowczko @PhilipBPayne Women certainly prophesied, but much prophecy took place outside the full gathering and instead in the community. Acts 19:6, 21:4, 9, 10–11

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@AmberLe88181775 @MargMowczko @PhilipBPayne The distinction between men and women is clearly not as absolute as between Christ and the Church, but it is analogous. There is a reason men are generally stronger and more aggressive than women; they are meant to protect and provide.

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@AmberLe88181775 @MargMowczko @PhilipBPayne I agree with the first half. I’m saying there’s a divine patriarchal image of the Son saving His bride that is reflected, to some extent, in humanity—because men, women, and marriage are designed to reflect the divine drama of God rescuing and loving His people.

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@AmberLe88181775 @MargMowczko @PhilipBPayne Why not? Christ is clearly in a hierarchical position over the church, yet they share a mutual love.

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@JollyStine @gzusluvsu @PhilipBPayne Everything you’re saying is true, but the idea of the text is still that it’s humiliating judgment for there to be no man to rule, and for women and children to take that place.

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@Streaksfriend @campbell_elroy @_taylor_TJ Democracy got us where we are today, so it’s at best a bad but necessary compromise.