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Again, you're using the description of a poetic rendition of creation as some kind of scientific basis. It's conceptually ridiculous to take a scientific approach to a romanticized telling of Abrahamic history.
Aside from that, you have far more to explain if you think man came from apes, such as why apes still exist when they had no hindrances to their evolutionary progress, and why humans share more genetically in common with cows than apes.
It's the common atheist's need to perform in hopes of validating their faith.
All the Atheist accounts I see here, day in and day out, just post more shallow perceptions of the religion they can't contest.
For these accounts, the people behind them don't have a personality outside of hating Christianity. Specifically, Christianity. That's always the focus. These people don't have anything passed that. They NEED to disprove Christianity in order to validate themselves. If they ever feel like they did, they parade it around for the remainder of their lives.
They don't target Ussen (Apache) or Ramuh (Hindu). They'll mention Mohamad occasionally when prompted, though that criticism dries up quick when you go east of the Atlantic.
It's sad. It's sad to follow a faith based entirely around nipping at the heels of the dominant moral structure. Don't let them lie to you. It was never about proof. It's always been about convenience and the need to be superior
Genesis describes the creation of existence in the poetic context of the creation of our home among the celestial bodies. You're arguing why a poet decided to make a non-scientific description.
They believed that in the past the same way you believe what you do about black holes and quantum mechanics, knowing full well those perceptions will most likely be corrected (and still not correct) in the near future.
It's not a statement of faith. There would be an objective truth to the universe regardless of perception. If no humans existed to perceive it, it would still be so. That's objective.
The Bible isn't the start of Abrahamic history, as it details the events before it. It shouldn't take much to comprehend that the a book isn't the beginning of it's concepts.
Saying that there is historical lacking of Hebrews in Egypt is ludicrous as there are historical accounts outside the bible that facilitate it.
Objectivity doesn't require assumption, even in faith. There IS an objective truth to the universe, whether you perceive it or not. That does not make it subjective. Go look up what subjective means.
There are none that are "older". Christianity is the most recent derivative of Abrahamic history stemming to the beginning. There will be scriptures of other "religions" as the bible references that. There are false idols in our world and they vie for worship. Also, there are no places in the bible that reference anything to contradict evolution of heliocentrism.
@PawnHeart8 If disagreement was the basis of subjectivity, then how is it possible to have an objective disagreement? That logic is nonsensical
No one wonders how an objective standard can exist when there's a collection of scriptures that specifically focus on that.
@PawnHeart8@cl3m0nn@Polijunkie1776@athiestboi It's literally the best comparison of the dichotomy of good and evil. I feel like it would not be that difficult to comprehend the similarities.
@PawnHeart8@cl3m0nn@Polijunkie1776@athiestboi Evil would be better equated with the smoke that comes from the campfire, and not it's spread from your negligence of it. Smoke doesn't come from negligence, but will happen if the campfire is built.
"should" denotes a subjective standard.
the only standard that would need to be validated is a subjective one, and that's not a proper standard. Disagreement as a point is irrelevant, as disagreement isn't about subjectivity. The disagreements focus on which interpretation of the standard is correct. If the disagreement was based on subjectivity, there would be no "correct". Only preference, as atheistic faith projects.
You aren't prepared for this argument.
@PawnHeart8@cl3m0nn@Polijunkie1776@athiestboi If your campfire burns down a forest, then it was the byproduct of your negligence. A campfire itself does not result organically in a forest fire as a consequence of building it.
So then you admit that the argument is self-defeating? the logic stands that no true Christian would need validation.
there's no assumption, only a standard. A standard needs to be set in place in order to reach a "best self" scenario and not one drawn up by subjective half-wit preference.
@PawnHeart8@cl3m0nn@Polijunkie1776@athiestboi If we came to the same conclusion, then your "Evil is objective" "God created everything" comparison is ridiculous. Evil is a byproduct. A consequence that exists because of the system. Byproducts are manifested, not created.
Comprehension isn't THAT difficult.
If a Christian feels the need to validate their faith, then they don't really have faith. How would you feel if someone didn't validate your ability to breathe? It's about the same level of nonsense.
I don't think it would be flattering at all if my objective is to see people become their best selves, and an entire sect of people acted solely to work the opposite.
@cl3m0nn@PawnHeart8@Polijunkie1776@athiestboi Though Peter is a midwit, this itself is false. The first sentence itself is correct, but evil is not the absence of good, it is instead a byproduct of it.