@Adithpr2P@Richard44Magnum@MajikTayuya otherworld doesnt have its own time tbh goku implies time doesnt exist in OW in the buu saga, he says since time exists in the living world ssj3 takes too much energy so he can only use it safely in otherworld. the super exciting guide says OW has no flow and no concept of time
@Retr0KH P1. If it’s talking about the SCALE of the world it would be about cosmology. Who comprehends it “just fine”? Prove its hyperbolic.
P2. I showed proof the diagram is so we can comprehend it. I showed proof earlier that its infinite.
P3. ?
C. Show the actual Daizenshuu scan
@kingue_manuel@KingBlaze727@kusanagi9029 @Granozzlah @Heisa_phantom how is it up to me to prove it? you posited the claim that because theres gravity in OW that would imply a spatiotemporal framework. its your burden to justify dumbass. 1. the anime is canon, 2. retcons can exist in fiction
@kingue_manuel@KingBlaze727@kusanagi9029 @Granozzlah @Heisa_phantom dimensional transcendence doesnt grand omnipresence. by your logic since we’re 3D can we see every 2D thing that exists simultaneously like omniscient gods? justify why outerversal otherworld would make the time rings meaningless? transcending time doesnt mean they wouldnt exist
@kingue_manuel@KingBlaze727@kusanagi9029 @Granozzlah @Heisa_phantom except the scan i showed literally prove it was retconned you fucking moron? good job you found out retcons can exist? at the absolute worst it’d just mean the buu saga retcons how otherworld works and fleshes out the cosmology better.
@kingue_manuel@KingBlaze727@kusanagi9029 @Granozzlah @Heisa_phantom do you just not know how gravity works??? gravity is made by an objects mass which dictates how much it bends spacetime. something that small cant have that much gravity unless its unfathomably dense. also like i said earlier the otherworld is nonphysical. his planet has no mass
@kingue_manuel@KingBlaze727@kusanagi9029 @Granozzlah @Heisa_phantom so since goku explicitly has a special body with special treatment, nothing requires that his body needs space to exist for him to function. the rest of the otherworld is nonphysical so it cant have gravity because theres no mass and no spacetime to bend.
@kingue_manuel@KingBlaze727@kusanagi9029 @Granozzlah @Heisa_phantom the body he has in the OW isnt just a regular body, its a SPECIAL body thats adapted to the otherworld so he can train and interact with the world. this doesnt contradict outer OW. also even if i agreed OW was bound by space and time saiyan saga itd just mean buu saga retcons
@kingue_manuel@KingBlaze727@kusanagi9029 @Granozzlah @Heisa_phantom why would he have all the time he needs? if he had “all the time he needed” then the otherworld would just have infinitely faster time dilation. time not existing doesnt impact temporal progression in the living world. king kai calculating time in the living world ≠ time in OW
@kingue_manuel@KingBlaze727@kusanagi9029 @Granozzlah @Heisa_phantom again, this argument makes zero sense. why the hell would temporal progression in the living world be any different just because time doesnt exist in otherworld? he wouldnt get to earth instantly lmao
@kingue_manuel@KingBlaze727@kusanagi9029 @Granozzlah @Heisa_phantom except its your burden to prove that the gravity still operates under a spatiotemporal framework because theres evidence that otherworld is not only nonphysical but also atemporal (and aspatial) or else it doesnt debunk outerversal otherworld
@kingue_manuel@KingBlaze727@kusanagi9029 @Granozzlah @Heisa_phantom yk the communication is being facilitated through telepathy from BOTH ways right? this contradicts nothing.😭 goku being unable to see into the RoSaT doesnt debunk. goku observing temporal progression in the living world doesnt mean time exists in the kaioshin realm so W nonseq
@kingue_manuel@KingBlaze727@kusanagi9029 @Granozzlah @Heisa_phantom false equivalence, goku was already dead at the time when he went there on his own and had a special body allowing him to interact with spiritual planes anyways. hercule being granted permission to exist in the kaioshin realm wouldnt just disappear for no reason?
@kingue_manuel@KingBlaze727@kusanagi9029 @Granozzlah @Heisa_phantom also are we forgetting that king kai’s planet is the size of a large irl house at best??? his planet has 10x the gravity of the earth. it should collapse into itself and become a microscopic black hole if the gravity here was real.
@kingue_manuel@KingBlaze727@kusanagi9029 @Granozzlah @Heisa_phantom king kai calculating the number of days passing in the living world does not entail that time exists in otherworld this is a horrendous nonsequitur. the years statements would also just be gokus subjective notion of time since we know time doesnt exist externally in OW.
@kingue_manuel@KingBlaze727@kusanagi9029 @Granozzlah @Heisa_phantom except this entire argument is just meaningless and misunderstanding how it works because (like i said before) just because time doesnt exist in the otherworld doesnt impact the flow of the time in the living world? what your thinking of would imply time dilation lmao what