Yuval Datner

I like to code

Specifically in @EffectTS_

[Dillon Mulroy @dillon_mulroy]

I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as your "custom TypeScript dialect," is in fact, Effect-TS, or as I've recently taken to calling it, Effect plus TypeScript.

Effect-TS is not a programming language unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning ecosystem made useful by Kit Langton's type utilities, effect runtime and vital system components comprising a full typed system as defined by functional programming principles.

Many TypeScript developers run a modified version of the Effect-TS ecosystem every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of Effect which is widely used today is often called "my custom dialect," and many of its users are not aware that it is basically Kit Langton's Effect-TS, developed by the same creator who also built OpenCode.

There really is an Effect-TS, and these people are using it, but they're calling it something unreadable and pretending it's their own invention. Effect-TS is the runtime: the system that handles your effects and manages side effects in your TypeScript code. The runtime is an essential part of a functional system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete typed ecosystem.

Effect-TS is normally used in combination with TypeScript: the whole system is basically TypeScript with Effect added, or Effect/TypeScript. All the so-called "custom dialects" are really just distributions of Effect-TS.

[Yuval Datner @Datnerr]

I am not joking in the least, this is optimal. once @thefubhy opened my eyes, everything else seemed dirty

[Jamie Birch @birch_js]

Strangest thing I've ever seen. Just encountered a repo that ignores all files by default and treats gitignore as an opt-in system.

[Yuval Datner @Datnerr]

@DavidKPiano @MattiaManzati @EffectTS_ wait I recognize this code, isn't this my code??

[Tim Smart @tim_smart]

When it comes to interruption, just "killing a process" is not enough, especially when it is just a task within a larger process.

Interruption should be another "code path" - if you interrupt a database query, the connection should be returned to the pool and so on.

[Yuval Datner @Datnerr]

@wgw_eth I don't understand the statement that instead of Effect, one should use ReScript, with the claim that the former is a "new language and mindset" but the latter is "just typescript". The lib is cool, but effect and specifically the call-out has nothing to with zagora 😅

[Yuval Datner @Datnerr]

@bjacobso @EffectTS_ @GiulioCanti yes
S.Tuple([S.String], S.Number)

[Yuval Datner @Datnerr]

@pyrons_ @GiulioCanti I explored this direction intensely for a year, for many applications, David and Mike will attest how annoying I was hahaha

they are not compatible on several layers in an irreconcilable manner. So maybe one day, but not soon

[Yuval Datner @Datnerr]

@gethackteam @theo I obv can't give out names, but more than a few massive orgs with a lot of contractors or a franchise-like business models. Also companies which have heavy reliance on- or a common use case for- VDI. Everything from access to identity is managed, with UX feeling like just chrome

[Yuval Datner @Datnerr]

@gethackteam @theo Not only did I use it, I helped build it

[Yuval Datner @Datnerr]

Ah yes, a shill for Big Tanner
@tannerlinsley your schemes won't work on me

[Theo - t3.gg @theo]

> makes videos about Next
"Wow theo, clearly a paid shill"

> makes videos about Tanstack Start
"Wow theo, clearly a paid shill"

[Yuval Datner @Datnerr]

@gethackteam @theo Trust me, very very much not crap

[David Blass @ssalbdivad]

sounds fake but I'm starting a company with my nemesis Colin P. Zod

and our first hire is @AndaristRake

and our first product is now in beta

[Yuval Datner @Datnerr]

@ssalbdivad @AndaristRake no way

[Yuval Datner @Datnerr]

@DrizzleORM Yes

[Yuval Datner @Datnerr]

@MichaelArnaldi this is so exciting to see after all this time

[Michael Arnaldi @MichaelArnaldi]

Future looks bright with more and more libraries and frameworks supporting Effect natively

[Yuval Datner @Datnerr]

@furiouswhopper @pablo_mayobre @igor9silva @arktypeio What do you mean, that's basic typescript? That's basic *javascript* even if we're talking syntactic analogue.

[Yuval Datner @Datnerr]

@furiouswhopper @igor9silva @arktypeio there are many use cases to want that, typed template literals have been a highly demanded feature for years. Arktype supporting it is mad cool. Don't like that feature don't use it, I don't understand thr problem

[Yuval Datner @Datnerr]

@dillon_mulroy I'd rather die

[Yuval Datner @Datnerr]

@schanuelmiller I thought the same, but it's woefully unsupported 😭