@EurovisionTom Not only that, much like Portugal 2017, they are the only country to win both the tele AND the jury since the point system change in 2016. Still don't get the song, but anyone foolish enough to say she didn't earn this, especially with her live, is insane, congrats Dara
@esc_gabe This has to be the worst running order possible. The flow is garbage, all the ballads in the first half and then all uptempo in the second, 2 rock songs in a row, it's just dumb
@GordonAgrippers The women have consistently been the focus of every season, get far more plot than the majority of guys and are neves early boots with 0 thought given to them, but go off
@purpleking995@GloriaMagicGirl@RoyalJaymes@Jared_Madrigal_ For speaking facts? Literally every male character that they can't use for queerbaiting they throw out early or give 0 plot and story impact, meanwhile every older character in seasons 3 or 4 was either early boot fodder or butchered writing wise
@GloriaMagicGirl@RoyalJaymes@Jared_Madrigal_ And yet they put literally 0 effort to transmit that in the writng of the episode, because ONC is filled with idiots that just make bs and justify their trash later because wastes of oxygen like you will defend their ageist sexist decisions like the little lap dogs y'all are
@GloriaMagicGirl@RoyalJaymes@Jared_Madrigal_ So making it more likely to lose by throwing away someone that actually tries in the hopes the person that flipped will stay on their side is better than eliminating dead weight. Just say you're as sexist as Jared is and shut your trap
@GloriaMagicGirl@RoyalJaymes@Jared_Madrigal_ So anyone with common sense got it. There was 0 good work done to establish this elimination, this was nothing but the usual sexist ageist writing from the morons that can't do any good buildup as per usual and just make bs up to justify obvious trash decisions
@GloriaMagicGirl@RoyalJaymes@Jared_Madrigal_ It also doesn't take a genius to realize eliminating challenge help in the third elim is the dumbest possible thing any team whose gonna be 2 down could do, but it's obvious you're just a moron of a glazer
@GloriaMagicGirl@RoyalJaymes@Jared_Madrigal_ Except it's bullshit, those 4 never came together as an alliance till AFTER the whole Aiden fiasco. Quite literally there was 0 reason for anyone to think they were working together. It's just a bs attempt to excuse shit writing
@Jared_Madrigal_@GloriaMagicGirl Oh shut the hell up. In what way were they noticeable when they literally never got together as a group till AFTER Aiden's stupid ass attack on Ernesto? Just admit you are a cancerous trash writeer and beyond ageist and sexist agains't any male character you can't queerbait with
@Blazydesings@esc_gabe Spain as a member of the Big 5 quite literally has in the name the scale of their contribution, the Netherlands is 6th. Don't know about Ireland
@EurovisionTom I mean, they were tele NQs in 2012 for a good reason, but somehow the jury put it above Estonia that year which I'm sure you'll defend as rightful just cause. fact of the matter is, entries that flopped for them in 2012 and 2017 would be top 10 now just cause it's Ukraine
@EurovisionTom Also, they were tele NQ in 2012, something that will never happen again due to circumstances. Heck, if they sent that entry now it'd also get 150 tele points in the final just because it's Ukraine.
@EurovisionTom Look, I agree that comparing the situation between these 2 is beyond dumb, but to act like Ukraine getting over 150 tele pnts this year and in 2023 was for anything besides political stuff is dumb. When they sent weak entries it reflected, it no longer does