@mfjlewis I understand. But I’m arguing that it’s way more complicated than you seem to realize. We have a much more difficult case to make. I’m not sure we made it.
@mfjlewis that “creeping infallibility” is a dangerous thing (as is throwing around the label “heretic”). Haven’t we learned the lessons of history, in particular the Reformation, not to needlessly create enemies for ourselves?
@mfjlewis If I were asked to explain how this reversal–not to mention the many others in our history–is consistent with the principle that ordinary papal claims should not be challenged, I’d have a hard time. I embrace this “development” on the death penalty, which suggests
@mfjlewis I agree with that “development”. It is in fact a reversal. But that only makes matters more complicated, not less. Given the historical reversals I alluded to above, challenges from people like Feser are not to be scorned, but listened to (Synodality?)
@mfjlewis death penalty is justified, but if Francis is right, then he must disagree with your principle. If Innocent III and Pius XII were right, then again your principle is problematic. Either way, we need to cut people like Feser some slack.
@mfjlewis Yes, but it is not always so easy to determine whether a papal claim actually expresses the mind of the Church, as the examples of Pope Honorius, Pope John XXII, Pope Nicholas I, Pope Vigilius, Pope Innocent III, Pope Pius IX, Pope Nicholas V help to show. I don’t think the
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@mfjlewis A letter very different in tone than the letter Küng received in 1975 and the two before that. Leo is a pastorally prudent pope who knows how to communicate.
@mfjlewis would have no problem with many of Luther’s reforms. As for others, there’s nothing that a more listening Church (synodal) could not overcome. Luther does not come across as a stubborn radical traditionalist.
@mfjlewis believe I reacted that way 30 years ago and made such and such a decision. How foolish I was”. We learn from experience and grow. The Church of the 16th century was very different, with a very different understanding of what constitutes an abuse of authority. The Church today