You never think you’ll say: “why is there rice in the bathroom sink.”
Then you have a two year old and you say: “Honestly, I’m surprised there isn’t more rice in the bathroom sink.”
-Confucius.
@ConceptualJames In this rant did you seriously just praise Woodrow Wilson? Objectively the worst President of all time?
Sir, it’s not too late to delete this and rewrite it. You can make the point you’re attempting to make without trying to make Roosevelt the evil guy. And Wilson the good guy.
I mean, it was the explicit law of the land until about 1964.
We can disagree on the policy yeah. But to claim it’s anti-American is to just ignore the first 75% of America’s history and lands us squarely into the debate currently raging. What is an American? We don’t appear to have consensus here.
Just becasue Hart-Cellar Act exists. And Ronald Regan said some nice things. Doesn’t change that many Americans have a certain, and yeah exclusionary, way they think about America. It’s their country too. This debate will rage on for some time.
@ClassicLibera12 You guys over complicate everything.
American just means a bunch of white dudes with unlimited guns LARPing as Romans taking whatever real estate they can get. While also thinking Europeans are a bunch of ghey bois who over complicate everything.
OP is spiritually Euro.
@Justinredalen@seanmdav “New arrivals should be limited to our capacity to absorb them into the ranks of good citizenship. America must be kept American.”
-Calvin Coolidge.
I can find presidential quotes that directionally support my position too.
Ohhh. Didn’t really consider the Mormon wars. That’s an interesting thought.
It’s cliche. But the Roman parallels are difficult
To ignore. Like, Rome was becoming an empire long before Augustus quit pretending it was still a republic.
America has likely been on the path to empire since the civil war for sure. Trying to decide the exact moment we crossed the line is interesting though.
You could make a pretty compelling argument for that tbh.
I always thought the Spainish-American war more cleanly fit that claim though as claiming overseas colonial possessions clearly exceeded the entire manifest destiny concept and was attempting to resemble a europeon colonial empire.
@PhilWMagness@ConceptualJames Idk how these situations are remotely comparable.
By your logic, the people immigrating to Texas recently would need to fight a war against the Texans that don’t want them there in order to legitimately claim the land.
Which, I’ll get my popcorn. That’ll be interesting.
So, I agree with everything you’re saying.
To clarify. I’m thinking about Protestantism in its German origins long before America. During the reformation we see some radical groups pop up promoting various ideas of radical egalitarianism that later on get picked up by some enlightenment thinkers. But imho you don’t really see the fully fleshed out form of the ideology that we would consider radical revolutionary leftism that begins to resemble Marxist-Leninism until the French Revolution.
@SaveTheLibs@shotpianist@ArtemisConsort True. But the reformation also is the ideological
Origins of leftism too. So, it’s been a mixed bag at best I’d say.