@Nepobediva_77 Nema kontradikcije. Pobeda studentskog pokreta i vlast studentskog predstavnika nisu isto. Ovim drugim pokret gubi legitimitet koji je stekao upravo time što nije imao vođu.
@Nepobediva_77 ZLF je sebi presudio onog trenutka kada je decentralizovano organizovanje sveo na sredstvo za sticanje legitimiteta koji bi potom pretvarao u izbornu korist. To je samo potvrdio ostankom u skupštini i odbijanjem da ohrabri decentralizovane strukture koje već postoje.
@karabinjera Ma jasno, tvoja „civilizacija“ počiva na prostoj autoritarnoj dogmi gde red postoji samo dok neko upravlja drugima, demokratija samo dok je posredovana predstavnicima i elitom, a svaka autonomija odozdo mora biti haos ili zavera.
@karabinjera Ako podrška ima smisla samo kada se strankama uzvrati reklamom, zahvalnošću i mestima na listi, onda cilj nije promena, već potvrda da se politika priznaje samo kada je vode partijski aparati. To nije borba protiv režima, već odbrana partijskog monopola nad politikom.
@RihaAntonela To što politiku prepoznajete samo kada je posreduju stranke i parlament nije problem vaše generacije, već posledica decenija sistemskog oblikovanja.
@RihaAntonela Vaša generacija se borila da politika ne bude monopol jedne stranke. Današnje se bore da ne bude monopol nijedne stranke. Ideja da ljudi sami neposredno odlučuju o svojoj sudbini je najdosledniji oblik politike.
@CulverCore33175@thekarizman_ Anyway, thanks for helping me kill time on a quiet security shift. Maybe working security is why this seems so obvious to me. You use only the force needed to stop a threat. You don’t punish someone because you think they deserve it and call that self-defence, you crazy fuck.
@CulverCore33175@thekarizman_ The fact that the punch ended the threat doesn’t prove that a knockout was necessary. It only proves that he stopped after using more force than he needed.
@CulverCore33175@thekarizman_ An immediate threat can justify stopping her. It cannot justify punishing her. Self-defence is about ending the threat, punishment is about making someone suffer because you think they deserve it.
@CulverCore33175@thekarizman_ No, they don’t. Self-defence is force used to stop an immediate threat. Punishment is harm imposed because you think someone deserves it. You literally said she needed to be punished.
@CulverCore33175@thekarizman_ There it is thank you. All that talk about self-defence and inevitability was just cover. You weren’t arguing that the knockout was necessary; you were arguing that she deserved it. That’s the revenge logic you kept denying.
@CulverCore33175@thekarizman_ No, and I already told you what he could do, you keep pretending the only choices were “stand there and take it” or knock her unconscious because your argument collapses the moment other options exist. Some response may have been inevitable. That knockout punch wasn’t.
@CulverCore33175@thekarizman_ You literally said “you take what you dish out” and “you shouldn’t start what you can’t finish.” That is revenge logic, not inevitability. Then you moved to what punishment she deserved. You can rename your argument after the fact, but your own words are right there.
@CulverCore33175@thekarizman_ You’ve gone from self-defence to revenge, punishment, inevitability, and now simply nonsense. That’s what people do when they’ve run out of arguments.
@CulverCore33175@thekarizman_ I already answered it: yes, if a man posed the same low level of threat, I’d say the same. If he posed a greater threat, more force could be justified. You keep demanding a one-word answer because the actual answer ruins your gender-war framing.