@Aussie_Odyssey@HiddenXperia@Blankslate_GG Williams was supposed to be part of those ODST veterans who knew about the background and history of the Spartans. She comments multiple times on their propaganda and the Chief personally killed a few ODST's soon after his augmentations.
@Aussie_Odyssey@HiddenXperia@Blankslate_GG In Halo. ODST's were supposed to be the greatest unit humanity has ever created. When the Spartans were established, most of them did not even know that they were even a thing until the Human-Covenant war further escalated.
@Ario31748766@PlasteringInc@DIAS Classical Greece never associated itself with the Western civilizations and the Greeks established more colonies and states in the East compared to the West. It did only gain further relevancy through the Romans and then throughout the Renaissance, my point still stands.
@PlasteringInc@DIAS Ancient Greece was an Eastern Mediterranean Civilization, which happened to influence the West throughout the Roman Empire and the Renaissance.
Rome conquered Greece in 146 BC when they burned Corinth to the ground. And then the strangest thing in ancient history happened. The winners spent the next few centuries desperately trying to become the losers.
It actually started before the final conquest. When the general Marcellus sacked Syracuse in 211 BC, he shipped boatloads of Greek statues and paintings back to Rome, and the city went crazy for it. Suddenly every rich Roman had to have Greek art in his house. Decades later Cicero built an entire court case around prosecuting a governor named Verres for looting Greek masterpieces, and Romans ate it up.
Then came the schools. Wealthy families started buying Greek slaves specifically because they were educated, and handed them the job of raising their children. So the sons of the men who crushed Greece grew up speaking Greek, memorizing Greek poetry, and learning philosophy from Greeks. The elite eventually sent their teenagers abroad to Athens and Rhodes to finish their education, the way people today send kids to study overseas. Cicero did it. Julius Caesar did it.
Their gods were Greek gods wearing name tags. Zeus became Jupiter. Hera became Juno. Aphrodite became Venus. Ares became Mars. Same myths, same family drama, mostly just relabeled.
Their entertainment was borrowed too. The first big Roman playwrights, Plautus and Terence, basically adapted Greek comedies into Latin. Their doctors were Greek. Their architecture leaned on Greek columns, the Doric and Ionic and Corinthian orders you still see on bank buildings today.
And the art obsession left a strange fingerprint on history. Romans loved Greek bronze statues so much that they mass produced marble copies of them. A huge chunk of what people walk past in museums today and call "Greek sculpture" is actually a Roman copy. The Greek originals melted down or vanished long ago. The knockoffs are what survived.
Not everyone was thrilled. Cato the Elder spent his whole life warning that Greek culture would rot the Roman character. He sneered at Greek philosophers, distrusted Greek doctors, and wanted them kept out of the city. And then, as an old man, he quietly sat down and learned Greek anyway. Even the loudest hater caved.
The trend went all the way to the top. Virgil wrote the Aeneid, Rome's national epic, by openly modeling it on Homer. The emperor Nero competed in Greek games and toured Greece like a superfan. Hadrian was so obsessed he grew a Greek philosopher's beard and poured money into rebuilding Athens. And Marcus Aurelius, master of the entire Roman world, wrote his private journal not in Latin but in Greek, because that was the language of serious thinking.
The poet Horace nailed it in a single line: captured Greece took her savage conqueror captive. Rome won every war on the battlefield and then handed its whole soul to the people it had beaten.
@Krasaki_Tsou Αυτά πληρώνουμε στην διεφθαρμένη δημοκρατία και την ύπουλα ανεξέλεγκτη ελευθερία του λόγου. Κάποτε αναρωτιούνταν πώς γίνεται ένας ηλίθιος, αμόρφωτος και αδιάφορος να εκφέρει γνώμη;. Κανένας δεν έδωσε απάντηση σε αυτό, μόνο απλά δικαιώματα.
@richter_sp29198@PANTOKRATORA_@ippotisorthodox Greece as a Nation has progressed more in the last 250 years compared to a plethora of countries located in Africa. Do you want to talk about what the Greeks were doing before these 200 years?
@2023Temmuz@SaulXRosenberg@phoenix2959@bosunatiklama Your Media doesn't showcase the Greek inscriptions because they are aware that these archeological remains are Hellenistic. It's clear that they existed there before the Romans established themselves in the area.
@Arsene329117@ParvumPrincipi Do i need to mention the continuation of Hellenic education throughout the Eastern Roman Empire? The continuation in regards to Classical Greek folklore? Or the adoption of showcasing Idols and symbols in cathedrals, which by itself stemmed from the Classical Greek tradition.
@Arsene329117@ParvumPrincipi A lot actually and Greek logos and thought surpassed the perceptions of other Christian ethnic groups, such as the ones produced by the Syriac Christians, until they were excommunicated from Constantinople.
@Arsene329117@ParvumPrincipi You should also remember that the majority of the Patriarchates used the Greek language as the language of liturgy. And that Christianity used the Greek language to further promote its message.
@Arsene329117@ParvumPrincipi Correction. It had Greek culture and the traditions were fused with Christianity during its onset. What stopped was mostly whatever was associated with Hellenism and the Greeks, abandoned that term as part of their identification due to its negative connotations.