@Pistol_22@YouSpooneeBard@SalManila8 @365daysinzion who says he forgot? Maybe he didn't feel like sharing that particular detail. It was a very sacred experience. Do you share every detail of your personal life to just anyone who asks? Who was the audience for each account of the first vision?
@SalManila8@YouSpooneeBard@Pistol_22 @365daysinzion so every time you recount a story, you include all the details exactly the same? Every single time? The 1832 account doesn't say he only saw on person, it only mentions one person.
@alan_tegel@KristanHawkins Lol. And slaves weren't people until the opinions of the abolitionists became law. So he was convicted of murder but didn't actually murder anyone? He killed the unborn child. The only person to actually die in this case.
@alan_tegel@KristanHawkins@Dumfukdetector@DoomScroling He was convicted of second degree murder. Who did he murder? You can't be convicted of murder if you didn't kill anyone. In no case except for the ending of a pregnancy can you be convicted of murder for simply injuring a woman. Why is that? Because it kills a person
@alan_tegel@KristanHawkins What law? Second degree murder? I'm using that to show that there is some parts of the law that acknowledge unborn children as people. If it didn't, they would have used another statute. You can murder what isn't alive. Isn't that what you said?
@alan_tegel@KristanHawkins@Dumfukdetector@DoomScroling What? What did i say that was false? If you are convicted of murder for killing an unborn child clearly some parts of the law acknowledge them as people. You keep hiding behind the law because you know it's immoral. Just like slavery was always wrong even when legal.
@alan_tegel@KristanHawkins Slavery was legal until it wasn't. The fact that there is no law to support my position is irrelevant. And yet you keep pretending like Jimmy Keonhothy wasn't convicted of murder. The laws are not consistent but clearly in some case we accept the unborn as people
@alan_tegel@KristanHawkins Only because the law says so. There was no crime for slavery until there was. Killing someone else because you don't like the results of your own actions is wrong
@alan_tegel@KristanHawkins Refusing to explain how holding people accountable for their actions is slavery. The south said slaves have no rights. You say the unborn have no rights. Slaves dehumanizes to justify their treatment, you dehumanize the unborn for the same reason
@alan_tegel@KristanHawkins Slavery was the law. Sounds like you would have fought against the abolitionists. The rights of the slave owners need to be taken into account as well. What will happen to them if we abolish slavery? Just because you might suffer doesn't mean you get to remove others rights
@alan_tegel@KristanHawkins Again hiding behind the law. Slavery was legal but never moral. Same with abortion. Or are you saying slavery was moral until it became illegal?
@alan_tegel@KristanHawkins Yes i read it. How can it be murder if it's not alive? You're hiding behind the law. Putting the law aside, a fetus is clearly a human being which is a person. Obviously it's in early development but that doesn't negate it's humanity
@alan_tegel@KristanHawkins Second degree murder for a non living thing? The law acknowledges the fetus is alive. The fact that it has carve outs for abortion is irrelevant. Like I've been saying. Slavery was legal for a long time with special carve outs as well. It was always wrong as is abortion