Marvel accidentally created the biggest problem for Tom Holland's Spider-Man.
Four solo movies later, and he still doesn't have a single iconic Spider-Man villain that's actually his.
Vulture's conflict was because of Tony Stark. Mysterio wanted revenge on Iron Man. No Way Home brought back Green Goblin, Doc Ock, Electro, Lizard and Sandman but they all belonged to other universes, not the MCU's Peter Parker.
Then Brand New Day doubled down on the problem by making the main threats mutant/X-Men characters instead of classic Spider-Man villains. Even if the movie works, it's another film where Peter isn't building rivalries with his own rogues gallery.
Now Marvel has backed itself into a corner. Peter has already met versions of Norman Osborn, Otto Octavius and Curt Connors, so introducing traditional MCU versions with the same emotional connections won't have the same impact.
Spider-Man's greatest strength has always been his villains. Four movies in, Tom Holland is still borrowing everyone else's.
1. Banner met Peter as smart hulk
2. Hulk is a completely separate consciousness from banner(smart hulk)
3. smart hulk is Banner’s mind in control of hulks power (the real hulk isn’t there but dormant like the reverse in ragnarok)
4. Hulk knows Peter as banner’s friend
🚨 Bruce Banner forgot Peter Parker after Doctor Strange's spell but Spider-Man: Brand New Day finally proves that Hulk never did
Peter visits Banner for help with his mutation. To protect his identity, he introduces himself as Ned Leeds instead of Peter Parker.
Later, Jean Grey removes Banner's inhibitor and forces him back into Savage Hulk. She controls him for a while, but can't keep Hulk under control.
As Savage Hulk attacks Spider-Man, Peter says, "I'm your friend, Peter." He says Peter, not Ned.
The name triggers something in Hulk. His rage fades, and he calms down, letting Banner return to his human form.
This suggests Strange's spell erased Banner's memory, but not Hulk's. It also shows Hulk's mind is far harder to control or erase.
If Doctor Doom later wipes everyone's memories in Battleworld, Hulk could be one of the few heroes who still remembers everything, giving him a major role in Avengers: Secret Wars.
They never confirmed if dude was dead for all we know he’s just hurting and hospitalized there was no blood or disoriented body parts to show any real damage done, I’m sure given a few hours of rest with comic book logic he was back on his feet in a week
The more I think about this scene, the less Peter's words make sense.
He tells Jean, "You're not a killer."
But she had already mind-controlled an innocent man into walking in front of a moving car.
What exactly was Peter basing that statement on?
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people acting like MJ is a villain when she rejected him in the kindest way possible, apologized, thanked him for what he did, invited him inside her home to hang out, visited him in the hospital, and gave him her drawing as a gift
mind you she didn’t have to do ANY of that
Hulk recognized the term “friend” when Peter says “I’m your friend” realizing Peter is a friend of Banner meaning he fell back and chilled out because spider-man is banner’s friend
Something doesn’t add up here…
If Beast Hulk never actually met Peter before the memory spell, then how did he recognize him afterward?
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Spiderman is literally more durable and literally stronger than the average super soldier with the exception of Steve rogers and green goblin, if we wanna cry about hulk being nerfed he’s been nerfed since 2008 realistically
That was a super soldier by the way… now you know what a direct kick from Hulk looks like..
Not even a full force kick at that, it was like a lil love tap. But somehow Spider-Man survives punches and you're saying Hulk isn't nerfed in the new Spiderman Movie.
It wasn’t hulk, it was banner/smart hulk meaning banner’s mind with hulks power but not actual hulk himself also we not gonna act like hulk ain’t have his mind manipulated before by Wanda before she even became an avenger so it’s not that crazy just re watch the movies
Literally nobody knew frank shot him except us the fans watching the movie, only other person in the movie who knew it was frank was Peter but Peter won’t hold it against him unless they having another brotherly petty argument
How is it after The Punisher shoots Spider-Man in Brand New Day, he’s not only able to walk around freely, he takes a nap right in the hospital?
Unbelievable!
The MCU forgot that Frank Castle is a wanted man.
He’s not going to hang out at the hospital waiting for Spider-Man like the SOFT character they’re trying to turn him into, he’s going to get right back on the street!
Maybe the filmmakers creating this unwatchable slop should try reading a couple of Punisher comics so they can get it right for a change. Lazy!
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Nah, not the whole city, it may not have been shown to explain it, but Jean focused on Mj and Ned specifically to trigger subconscious fragments of their memories kinda like in X-men apocalypse when Jean and Scott cross paths with Logan for the first time
When Jean Grey enters MJ and Ned’s minds during her MASSIVE shockwave blast that freezes everyone and restores their memories of who Peter really is.
Does that mean half the city caught in the wave now knows Spider-Man’s secret identity again?
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Jean was a misguided teenager who needed understanding of what she did was wrong and is on a path of redemption, Wanda was a grown ass woman who had guidance and support after the loss of her brother but losing vision made her crash out and become a whole villain period
I got you bro, it’s cause, Peter referred himself as a friend when he said “I’m your friend” hulk thinks about all his other color costume friends and thinks “maybe he is one of us” looks at his reflection and comes to realize Peter wasn’t an enemy and stopped attacking
Nah, you’re actually right, and it’s not like people are forgetting something, it’s just a real hole in the movie nobody’s explained. Hulk straight up tells Peter ‘Banner forgot, but I don’t forget,’ so the film’s confirming he’s somehow immune to the spell
But here’s the thing, Hulk was off-world for basically all the time Peter was running with the Avengers. He never actually met Spider-Man. So how’s he remembering someone he never crossed paths with? Feels like Marvel just hoped nobody would notice.
@NeapolitanTsar Well then you won’t learn nothing and will but unsatisfied for lack of knowledge i can’t help for you not wanting to help yourself, plus if you don’t wanna read the comics google is always free but to each their own if you wanna be retarded 🤷♂️