“As a Catholic umbrella organization, we consciously and repeatedly adopt positions different from those of the official Church,” Simone Curau-Aepli, the federation’s president, said of the change.
One concrete example of this is the SKF’s stance on homosexuality. Since 2001, the SKF board has advocated opening civil and ecclesiastical marriages to same-sex couples.
Manuela Winteler, head of the Bazenheid Women’s Community, maintained that “to save the ‘catholic’ in its original sense and the goals and values of the federation,” the word “Catholic” must disappear from the name.
If you’re a group that professes and propagates beliefs that are contrary to Catholic teaching (you can cross reference your position with the CCC), you absolutely shouldn’t try to call yourself “Catholic”. Also don’t try to later claim you meant Catholic to be the “universal” sense of the word after admitting that the org arose in response to the large Protestant women’s groups. Just admit that you’re no longer a Catholic group because you have decided to disagree with the Church on dogmatic beliefs (e.g. that marriage is between a man and a woman).
In a historic move, the Swiss Catholic Women’s Federation — with 100,000 members — has rebranded as the Women’s Federation Switzerland, citing concerns over the term “Catholic.” https://t.co/D7ef5LZuhb
A syllogism for you.
• God actively wills the natural order (law).
• Contraception is contrary to the natural order (law).
• Therefore, contraception is contrary to God’s will.
Once you give way to contraception you logically lose the footing against and open the door to abortion, homosexual activity, transgenderism, and ultimately euthanasia which is exactly what many Catholic theologians and priests predicted since the release of Humanae Vitae and precisely what we’ve seen unfold.
A syllogism for the Queen of Heaven.
• The Davidic kingdom’s Queen was always the mother of the King.
• Jesus is the King of the Heavenly Davidic Kingdom.
• Therefore, His Mother, Mary, is the Queen of Heaven.
Biblical references
•2 Kings 1:13-25, Jeremiah 13:18, 29:2, 2 Chronicles 15:16, 2 Kings 10:13
•Luke 3:23-31, Matthew 1:1-18, and Luke 1:32-34, Mark 11:10, Matthew 3:10, 5:3,10,19-20, 7:21, 10:7, Colossians 1:13, Ephesians 5:5
•Revelation 11:19-12:2,5
@Pastor_Gabe
A simple sillogism for you.
• The Davidic kingdom’s Queen was always the mother of the King.
• Jesus is the King of the Heavenly Davidic Kingdom.
• Therefore, his Mother, Mary, is the Queen of Heaven.
Biblical references
•2 Kings 1:13-25, Jeremiah 13:18, 29:2, 2 Chronicles 15:16, 2 Kings 10:13
•Luke 3:23-31, Matthew 1:1-18, and Luke 1:32-34, Mark 11:10, Matthew 3:10, 5:3,10,19-20, 7:21, 10:7, Colossians 1:13, Ephesians 5:5
•Revelation 11:19-12:2,5
That’s precisely the problem, people think Catholicism is a buffet - pick and choose what you like and pass on the things you find unappetizing (or even worse, try to offer things that aren’t even part of the meal as compatible with Catholicism) - but it isn’t. It’s one meal, the bread and wine that are the body and blood of our Lord. To reject the teachings of the Church and think that we can change them to get with the times misses the mark entirely. It isn’t the Church that needs to change, it’s the hearts and minds of sinners like us. We must change. We must conform to Christ. We must repent and sin no more.
The irony of Gavin, as an evangelical (I know he himself professes a version of spiritual real presence), using the “something something is just a symbol” as a reason to not associate with the church while we Catholics point to John 6:53 So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in yourselves. 54 The one who eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day. 55 For My flesh is true food, and My blood is true drink. 56 The one who eats My flesh and drinks My blood remains in Me, and I in him.
Sure it is. Just as Moses held up the bronze serpent which healed those in the wilderness, prefiguring Christ on the cross, here a symbol of Christ (the child) is lifted up directing the souls and minds of the faithful toward His pure and humble love. It’s an important reminder that our lord came not as a warrior but as a small child.
Matthew 18:3 Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
4 Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.
1) 2 Tim 3:16 very clearly does not contain the word “alone” but simply that all scripture is inspired. At best an argument from silence could be made (if you ignore the rest of scripture that is). Unless you want to smuggle it in there when you translate it to English just like “faith alone.”
2) the fact that I can ask 10 well educated and well meaning Christians who profess SS what the definition of SS is, and get 10 different answers shows Protestants, evangelicals, and non denominations have no idea what SS actually is. This further demonstrates the need of a final authority to define with clarity the teachings and beliefs of the church on binding matters of faith.
3) Enoch and Elijah? Why not the mother of our Lord?
Rev 11:19-12:1-2,5 Then God’s temple in heaven was opened, and the ark of his covenant was seen within his temple; and there were flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder, an earthquake, and heavy hail. A great portent appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars. She was pregnant…And she gave birth to a son, a male child, who is to rule all the nations.
The new Ark, Mary, bodily in heaven (and before you start, yes of course there are multiple meanings of this passage, as is true throughout the Bible - but this is the clear and plain understanding that SS should point you toward…). The typology from OT to NT further points to the NT Ark as Mary, our Lord’s mother. The OT Ark was overshadowed by the cloud of God (Holy Spirit) and contained the priestly rod, the bread of heaven (mana), and the word of God (tablets). Who in the NT is overshadowed by the Holy Spirit, and houses the one who is High Priest, the one who is the bread from Heaven, and the one who is the word of God? (Hint, still Mary).
OT to NT typology
2 Samuel 6: 3 And they carried the ark of God upon a new cart, and brought it out of the house of Abin′adab which was on the hill; 9 And David was afraid of the Lord that day; and he said, “How can the ark of the Lord come to me?” 10 So David was not willing to take the ark of the Lord into the city of David; but David took it aside to the house of O′bed-e′dom the Gittite. 11 And the ark of the Lord remained in the house of O′bed-e′dom the Gittite three months; and the Lord blessed O′bed-e′dom and all his household. 12 And it was told King David, “The Lord has blessed the household of O′bed-e′dom and all that belongs to him, because of the ark of God.” So David went and brought up the ark of God from the house of O′bed-e′dom to the city of David with rejoicing; 14 And David danced before the Lord with all his might; and David was girded with a linen ephod.
Luke 1: 39 In those days Mary set out and went with haste to a Judean town in the hill country, 40 where she entered the house of Zechariah and greeted Elizabeth. 41 When Elizabeth heard Mary’s greeting, the child leaped in her womb. And Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit 42 and exclaimed with a loud cry, “Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb. 43 And why has this happened to me, that the mother of my Lord comes to me? 44 For as soon as I heard the sound of your greeting, the child in my womb leaped for joy. 45 And blessed is she who believed that there would be a fulfillment of what was spoken to her by the Lord.” 56 And Mary remained with her about three months and then returned to her home.
Luke’s gospel is very clearly paralleling Mary as the new Ark - in the hill country of Judea for 3 months, brings blessings, David in the priestly vestments and St John the Baptist dance with joy, response of how is it that the Ark/mother of the lord comes to me. And as we see in Revelation, by the plain reading, she is the Ark, bodily in heaven. There’s no good reason to deny this other than because more orthodox Christians profess it and you want to distance yourself from them (primarily Catholics).
4) apples to oranges strawman
Tbf, as I know you know, while we know the gates of hell won’t prevail, the pope can still err and sow confusion which makes it all the harder for faithful Catholics to stand up for the traditional Catholic teachings when people spout back some papal comment and we have to try to break it down for them and why it isn’t binding or represent changes in church teaching (necessarily).
Using NFP the fertility during fertile part of cycle is 100% of whatever fertility the two persons have. NFP has no effect on the fertility. You’re literally not doing anything to change the hormones, make the womb uninhabitable, etc. You either make use of that fertility (have sex) or don’t make use of it (abstain from sex) during the fertile window. You aren’t changing how fertile you are. Using artificial birth control however, you literally disrupt the fertility of the woman (ending her cycle), making her womb hostile so as to prevent any conception from surviving, or thwart the fertility with a barrier during the fertile part of the cycle. Huge difference in the way these methods approach the natural order. One observes the natural order and respects the way God naturally created a cycle with fertile and infertile windows and the other subverts the natural order to the whims of man.
Again, what is your alternative to NFP? Are you trying to discredit it in favor of BC? Or are you trying to discredit it for some maximally baby producing end? Like I said previously, that line of reasoning, in addition to being irresponsible, actually makes an even stronger case for NFP so that the couple has even greater awareness about exactly when to maximize the chance of conception.
@MarkCumberbatc6 @JackPosobiec So you’re in favor of giving Christians back everything that Islam took? We’ll gladly have the Hagia Sophia back, thanks.
It’s incredibly short sighted to not consider that this will be abused to remove “burdensome” people at the end of their life. The phrase, “it’s not your decision to make” is a haunting glimpse into a future where someone else makes the choice for people with expensive or resource intensive conditions that “strain” the society. You have it backwards, we promote dying with dignity, accepting suffering as natural aspect of life while they seek to control the way you will go out and when you will go out.
A more appropriate line of reasoning is to look at what Jesus modeled in the garden. He prayed “Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done.” He submitted to the Father’s permissive will and endured the pain and suffering of crucifixion. End of life is a cross to bear for all and we should endure the sufferings God may allow at the end of our life just as we do throughout life. When we suffer with Christ, we are closer to Him on the cross. We should not run from suffering but instead allow its redemptive grace to be poured out onto us.
@poperespecter1@thatonemaia@CDogmatics@metathomist@grok This is one of the clearest examples I use of papal infallibility. He was certainly protected by that infallible charism in that moment to prevent the gates of hell from prevailing in the Church.
So many strawman arguments in these comments. Personal sin is a touchy topic and this is as personal as it gets. We have to pray for the conversion of hearts on this topic and encourage all Christians (including many Catholics) who struggle with this truth to read Humanae vitae, Love and Responsibility, and Theology of the Body.
Love is about total gift of self - that’s what God is and what Jesus shows us on the cross. It isn’t holding pack part of oneself (your fertility). God’s natural law and order matter. When you disregard it you get the world as we have it today - homosexual activity, gender ideology, etc which all seek to disregard the natural law and beauty that God has made.
People who claim NFP is the same, I challenge you to try NFP then. You will see the difference in the sort of love it engenders - denying one’s passions for the good of your spouse and family’s needs is vastly different from the non-sacrifice that sex on demand with artificial birth control. There is no self denial. There is no cross. It’s having your cake and eating it too. That is not love.
I didn’t miscite anyone. Translations are translations. They don’t all read the same in English. All you’ve done is avoid the obvious point that you can’t counter in that Kepha/Kepha is what Jesus said. Peter is the rock. Christ is King. God bless. Good look in your future interactions with all your ad hominem use. I hope it goes better for you in your other discussions where you’re grasping for a legitimate counter argument. I’ll pray for you. In Latin. 😉