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@probablytired2@mymoonovski The guy I cited is a public holocaust denier and says that "the Jews" are going to create the Antichrist and that the Talmud is blasphemous.
But I guess you know better, sorry, I didn't know you were a rabbi.
@DFEnjoyer1@probablytired2@mymoonovski Never said it was universal. I said that many Christian churches permit and encourage it.
1st Corinthians 7 is very much not clear that marital rape is not permitted. It has been used to argue that marital rape is not real, in the sense that a spouse's body is not theirs to deny
@AhlbornLuc27543@Rraklez2@f_v_e00@dyingscribe Well, it was slaves in Haiti and anti-christian deists in France who ended it first, actually. And we have Spartacus's revolt far prior to that. It seems like anti-slavery does not have its roots in Christianity, just that Christians adopted anti-slavery as well.
@AhlbornLuc27543@Rraklez2@f_v_e00@dyingscribe What Christian attempts at anti-slavery were there prior to the 1700s? Surely there would have been at least attempts or movements to end slavery prior to the enlightenment if it was a Christian value.
@AhlbornLuc27543@Rraklez2@f_v_e00@dyingscribe Can you falsify your hypothesis and give me an example of a western moral that would not be rooted in Christianity? Because it kind of seems like any western moral idea will be rooted in a Christian morals.
Is Christian moral framework similarly rooted in Greco-Roman morality?
@AhlbornLuc27543@Rraklez2@f_v_e00@dyingscribe Why did the Christian framework only lead to abolishing slavery 1700 years after it's introduction to the west? If anti-slavery really was rooted in Christian values, why would it take that long to pop up?
@AhlbornLuc27543@Rraklez2@f_v_e00@dyingscribe Were their principles of anti-Christianity founded in their historically Christian framework?
If yes, then being tied to a Christian framework means it says nothing substantial about Christianity as a whole, it's just a historical accounting of events. If no, then why not?
@AhlbornLuc27543@Rraklez2@f_v_e00@dyingscribe France wasn't just secular, they had banned slavery during their years of explicit anti-christianity.
And Haiti being a slave revolt is precisely my point. The first abolitionist was a slave. Slavery creates it's own reason to be anti-slavery.
@AhlbornLuc27543@Rraklez2@f_v_e00@dyingscribe So if Christians being most effective at conquest doesn't make them uniquely violent, why should we consider Christians being most effective at banning slavery to be uniquely moral?
@AhlbornLuc27543@Rraklez2@f_v_e00@dyingscribe It was also non-christian(sometimes explicitly pagan) slaves and anti-christian enlightenment thinkers who pushed these sentiments too.
The first two independent nations to ban slavery were Haiti and the French Republic(specifically during the dechristianization years).