@The13thBird@PinkPonyS0phie 3/3 But even then, if the cultures of those people are too different, that unity will turn into passive separatism at best and active hostility at worst the very second the class enemy has been defeated.
@The13thBird@PinkPonyS0phie 2/ In a meeting between two worlds, cultural values and norms will matter far more than class will in terms of determining whether the two peoples will get along or not. Every single time.
The only exception being in a worldwide class revolt.
@JuliusFnDiamond@DrasticFnLoser@NonsenseIsland 3/ Culture primarily comes downstream of social conditions, natural environments, and pre-existing historical presence and identity (the people's perception of themselves,) NOT from class conflict.
That's not to say that class conflict cannot play a factor in it...
@The13thBird@PinkPonyS0phie It clashes because to me, the idea that class is the primary unifier/divider of people is preposterous, and blatantly false.
Culture is the primary unifying/dividing factory, and it's not even remotely close between them.
@EkelLenny@_Paperlapapp Du skal lete langt og lenge etter en kultur som levde opp til dagens humanitære idealer for 1000 år siden. Det er ikke dermed sagt at man skal frakaste seg deres tilhørighet til ens kulturarv.
Det er year zero-svada.
@EkelLenny 3/3 Det er slik man styrker og beriker sin kulturelle identitet i nuet. Man tar vare på det verdige fra historien, og innlemmet det som en del av hvordan man forstår seg selv som folk, og lar det virke som en veiledning for hvem vi er, og hva vi higer etter å være.
@EkelLenny 2/ Det er mye å verdsette ved vikingene. Deres mot, fryktløshet, deres styrke, og deres urokkelighet. Og selvfølgelig, det kule image.
Akkurat som at det er ting å verdsette ved samuraienes ettermæle. Deres æreskodeks, deres lojalitet, deres kunstnerånd. Og selvfølgelig, imaget.
@JuliusFnDiamond@DrasticFnLoser@NonsenseIsland Stupid because I acknowledge the basic reality that it is culture, not class that unites and divides people the most? Because I acknowledge that, for as shitty as the US government is, it is nowhere near being as bad as the Iranian regime, even now?
Alright then...
@The13thBird@PinkPonyS0phie Pardon, I misunderstood what you were saying. I thought you meant deterministic in a fatalist sense. That's why it didn't make sense to me.
Though now that that's cleared up, I have to ask, what your objection to that is. Why is being self determining in this way bad?
@The13thBird@PinkPonyS0phie How is it self determining? If anything, this makes you the most free to forge your own path.
Unconstricted by established doctrines and orthodoxies. Free to mix and mash ideas in ways that makes sense to you, without being concerned with what is or isn't "proper" in the tribe.
🚨🎙️Thierry Henry on Norway's Viking themed World Cup photoshoot:
“When I saw the photos, I smiled. People will call it a photoshoot, but for Norwegians it represents something much bigger than football. It represents where we come from.
The Vikings were never afraid of travelling into unknown territory, and this Norway team is doing the same by going to the World Cup believing they can compete with anyone.
Of course, dressing like Vikings looks great in pictures. But now comes the important part. Vikings were remembered because of what they did, not how they looked.
If this generation wants those photos to become iconic, they have to make sure the football matches the image. Because the world will remember victories far longer than a photoshoot.”
So now we've finally opened the box of Muslim homophobia (a box that was made entirely of glass, by the way), can we move on to some of the other issues that people have spent years pretending not to notice?
Can we talk about Sharia courts?
Can we talk about forced marriage?
Can we talk about child marriage?
Can we talk about honour-based abuse and violence?
Can we talk about the treatment of apostates and people who leave the faith?
Can we talk about blasphemy laws and the push to bring them to the UK?
Can we talk about the stabbings, bombings, beheading and diversity bollards?
Can we talk about the persecution of religious minorities?
Can you talka about their history of Islam colonisation?
Can we acknowledge that many many countries were colonised by islam?
Can we talk about slavery within muslim countries, past and present?
Can we talk about censorship and restrictions on free speech?
Can we talk about segregation between the sexes?
Can we talk about cousin marriage and the social issues that can arise from generations of it?
Can we talk about the intimidation faced by some ex-Muslims who speak publicly about their experiences?
And if we have time, perhaps we can discuss the cousin-fucking as well.
What amazes me is not that these conversations never happen. What amazes me is that so many people acted shocked when they finally do.
None of this was hidden.
The box wasn't locked.
It wasn't buried underground.
It wasn't even opaque.
The bloody thing was made of glass.
The information has been publicly available for decades.
The teachings, the laws, the polling data, the court cases, the news reports, the testimonies from ex-Muslims, women, and gay people from Muslim communities—none of it was secret.
Yet for years, anyone who pointed to these issues was told they were imagining things, or being Islamophobic.
Now that people are finally willing to acknowledge the homophobia, perhaps we can have a few more honest conversations.
I'll be here when you're ready.