One of the key ingredients for starting a relationship: it should start as a hookup that turns into FWB.
But the other, less-talked-about ingredient? She can't start as your main girl. Keep seeing other women while seeing her.
That detachment keeps you outcome-independent, which makes you far more attractive to her. It just works.
Knowing this, she'll eventually suggest exclusivity, which then turns into an ultimatum for exclusivity.
When you take her up on the offer on your terms (which you'd be stupid not to come to the table with demands because the dynamic is in your favor), your relationship starts.
This is a rough outline of how your relationship dynamic needs to start.
@askaya As something most women will never understand, you have no idea if that's his first rejection or 1000th. After enough rejections, a man feels beat down.
@RRKubaRR "99% of the issues men have with women would be solved if they just treated women like children all the time" this is worth its weight in gold.
Men are true romantics who are forced to LARP as pragmatists and women are true pragmatists who LARP as romantics.
This remains one of the many perils of modern dating/marriage discourse but few understand or are willing to admit it.
Women become this way after they fully submit to Chad, who only pumps and dumps her. She then thinks her submission was the problem, when in reality he never intended to commit in the first place or he has insane optionality.
Of course, they would realize this if they engaged in more self-reflection and accountability of the men she chooses, but that risks the ego.
"Men want to be challenged" is the biggest feminist COPE I have ever seen.
Men don't want to deal with your bulls**t. They want a respectful women who brings peace, not chaos, so he can build things.
If you've worked in corporate, you'll notice that women often dominate the marketing department. That's because women naturally run their own PR campaigns: "I make the guys I really like wait for sex," "I think men who do chores are sexy," and "Guys who are providers are the most attractive."
Women are extremely loyal—but only to their number one guy. The problem? You’ll never truly know if that’s you. They’ll lie, deceive, and make you think you’re the top guy.
A sign your "that guy" is if she simps for you, but that can change any moment. Tomorrow is not guaranteed.
Women aren’t mysterious or complicated. They’re just deceptive, and you’ve been lied to about how they really operate.
Like a Chinese spy: their shady demands, info requests, and compromising setups seem confusing—until you realize they’re a spy. Then it all clicks.
@aruvinchan E.g. "she wouldn't cheat on me and destroy a 25-year marriage when we own property, have kids, grandkids Etc." And then they get cleaned out.
@aruvinchan Men go wrong underestimating women by not realizing they’re even dumber than they think. Women often shock men by choosing win-lose plays—even when win-win was on the table. That’s where men get fucked.