The Decider

I decide what is best.

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@2muchfun4me @andycap_84 Imagine being angry at how the money stolen from you is spent, as opposed to being mad it was stolen in the first place.

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@JohnRad15 *some* of the working class.

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@KraLath Communism not beating the "an ideology for children and dysgenic weirdos" allegations.

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@tigerbalmaddict @DrewPavlou You can reduce the problem by 1, so to speak.

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@nicksterwixter Not all, but most are a disappointment.

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@mapleblooded @Mark_Wilson_ Pretty much, yeah.

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@MichaelSteidel @ColdEmpanadas So if something costs more it has more value?

Have you ever heard of the diamond-water paradox?

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@NeptunesOrgit @Deathdestroy300 @LobisomemZZZ Here you have an example of the positive. What about the negative?

What did the state do to the business owners who didn't willingly and happily cooperate?

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@Consolekyo @WestinSmithq How is property totalitarian?

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@OzmunC Maybe Marx just makes more sense in Chinese. This would make sense to me considering it is a highly contextual language.

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@Staatsatheismus What would be the point if it is historically determined to occur anyway?

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@SamsonCorwell @MichaelSteidel @ColdEmpanadas Personally, I find it fascinating. As an ideology, it's a rhetorical masterpiece. And that was part of what I was talking about.

Theft of actual property is justified through the rhetorical "my labour value is being stolen."

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@MichaelSteidel @ColdEmpanadas Not to someone who wants raw materials and doesn't want a car.

If it's objective it would be true regardless of the individual.

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@MichaelSteidel @ColdEmpanadas I'm not disagreeing that goods and/or services are a product of labour.

I'm disagreeing that value can be created.

We can objectively see a good be produced or a service be rendered. We can't objectively see value being created.

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@ineedmorearms @MichaelSteidel @ColdEmpanadas Are "values" or "valuable" the same words as "value?"

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@PotatoMcWhiskey That point is always, because power rarely considers second order effects.

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@SamsonCorwell @MichaelSteidel @ColdEmpanadas Distinctions can surely be drawn, are they meaningful in practice though?

Does the nature of property change because of how it's used? Or is it just a rhetorical device used to justify theft?

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@SamsonCorwell @MichaelSteidel @ColdEmpanadas As in "the value created by labour is stolen by the capitalist?"

I'm surprised I needed to elaborate, this is a common claim.

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@SamsonCorwell @MichaelSteidel @ColdEmpanadas I think the rhetorical is worth exploring.

Specifically because this word is so frequently used in relation to a property crime (theft).

Interestingly enough by people who want to abolish property. (In before; personal/private - there is no distinction).

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@ineedmorearms @MichaelSteidel @ColdEmpanadas Notice how neither are word I used in my example.

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@MichaelSteidel @ColdEmpanadas All of the inputs also have value before labor touches them. A decision (e.g., collect water vs forage food) also has value before labor is applied.