Stigma✞

Meister Eckhart enjoyer.🇪🇹/🇮🇹

[Stigma✞ @From_Stigmata]

@sharghzadeh I’m literally half Southern Sicilian and trust me no one wants to live in Detroit. New York, Berlin or London is where they want to be . Too much crime there and unwalkable.

[Stigma✞ @From_Stigmata]

@PhDniX @InspiringPhilos @Jay_49erTikTok @DrAliAtaie @shahanSean @muslimorthodoxy @IraniRoxanna @KhalilAndani @SCApologia @Deenresponds @YouTube Jesus is believed to be the Son of man in all the gospels is correct, every gospel writer is explicit that they believe he is. The debate is on whether Jesus in his own quoted words within the gospel texts presents himself as “The Son of Man”.

[Stigma✞ @From_Stigmata]

@KarrasMerton 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽

[Stigma✞ @From_Stigmata]

@Tahirhx4 @ArchonAvalon Isaiah 62 is in respects of Jerusalem /Zion being the bride. Which is the one of the three that invokes the direct bridegroom analogy.

[Stigma✞ @From_Stigmata]

@Tahirhx4 @ArchonAvalon Again, its not the analogy itself. It is what Jesus’ presence brings and the effects (no fasting) it has on others. Jesus equates his presence with such an analogy. Not just an action like the staff , but himself.

[Stigma✞ @From_Stigmata]

@Tahirhx4 @ArchonAvalon And who is the ‘bridegroom’ marrying?
And your response didn’t answer my question whatsoever.

[Stigma✞ @From_Stigmata]

@Tahirhx4 @ArchonAvalon God analogises himself as the bridegroom, YHWH exclusively uses betrothal imagery to himself in the Old Testament(Isaiah 54, Hosea 2). None of the prophets apply this imagery to themselves.

[Stigma✞ @From_Stigmata]

@Tahirhx4 @ArchonAvalon If the kingdom is independent of Jesus and is something he delivers..then why do they have to fast again when he is no longer present ?Why does his physical presence stop fasting.

[Stigma✞ @From_Stigmata]

@Tahirhx4 @ArchonAvalon That’s your interpretation of the text. Marks author is constantly ‘flirting’ or implying some form of divinity within Jesus. Even from Mark 1:2-3 with Isaiah 40:3 intertextuality.

[Stigma✞ @From_Stigmata]

@Tahirhx4 @ArchonAvalon He is using a parable that invites high Christology.. Jesus was well versed in Isaiah as shown from the gospels

[Stigma✞ @From_Stigmata]

@Tahirhx4 @ArchonAvalon How does he come with the New Kingdom of God? And why does the kingdom go away when he is no longer present?

[Stigma✞ @From_Stigmata]

@Tahirhx4 @ArchonAvalon And why does Jesus in GMark use this analogy out of all others…

[Stigma✞ @From_Stigmata]

@Tahirhx4 @ArchonAvalon What definitive conclusions have I made from the texts lol? Mark 10:18 does not deny divinity or even God hood, Trinitarians use this exact verse to present Jesus as invoking a "If Only God is Good" Syllogism.

[Stigma✞ @From_Stigmata]

@Tahirhx4 @ArchonAvalon Explain why his followers don’t have to fast whilst he is present? But meanwhile another living human prophet‘s followers at the time ,John the Baptist followers, have to fast.

[Stigma✞ @From_Stigmata]

@Tahirhx4 @ArchonAvalon I’m not inferring Jesus is God from an action lol.
I’m asking, what function and role do you explain Jesus is assuming when he identifies himself as the bridegroom? for where fasting observation stops whilst he is present
A title in Isaiah that is used exclusively for YHWH.

[Stigma✞ @From_Stigmata]

@stewjo004 We also had high Christology in Jerusalem, and all sorts. As my original post is, Jesus earthly ministry laid the foundations of some form or another of high Christology. Obviously this won out and lead to the worlds largest religion with miracles etc to this day.

[Stigma✞ @From_Stigmata]

The argument that Paul invented Jesus' divine status is considerably weaker than the argument that Jesus himself provided the foundations upon which high Christology emerged.

[Stigma✞ @From_Stigmata]

@stewjo004 Whatever they actually saw on his resurrection appearances, the earliest followers felt that they had to include Jesus in their prayer devotions to worship YHWH, early Christianity was a dyadic mutation.

[Stigma✞ @From_Stigmata]

@stewjo004 (Nothing wrong working from your priors, we all do)

[Stigma✞ @From_Stigmata]

@stewjo004 Jesus owns actions and self identification straddled well over a ‘a human prophet’ line during his earthly ministry(like identifying as the bridegroom) and his resurrected appearances cemented this to his earliest followers. Your working on your prior Islamic commitments.