@idealpolitic@aniiTweets@B80748543 Nah, do whatever you want in your own time. I just think misanthropes who obsess over religion should be kept far away from any serious political organizing, particularly those who mock the faith that currently disproportionately makes up anti-imperialist resistance.
@idealpolitic@aniiTweets@B80748543 The Catholic Church is incredibly hierarchical with the pope defining doctrine (and contradicting Vance almost daily lol). In contrast, Sunni Islam is rather decentralized with interpretations varying widely. yw
“Workers of the world, unite! [once we’ve finished shitting on your most deeply held beliefs that carried you through hardships we in the imperial core could never imagine]”
It's important to remember that Marx stated Religion is the opiate of the masses and it can and will distract from class solidarity. But what many leftists don't remember is that Marx then added "appart from Islam which should never be examined critically"
@anitamaxxing@i_am_laith Regardless of the date of her conversion, or your psychoanalysis of her motives behind protesting, she has a personal history of activism/altruism wrt Palestine long before her pol career. You’re right, she may go the AOC route, but as of now, she’s infinitely better.
@anitamaxxing@i_am_laith An adult woman - who converted 8 yrs ago, who visited and taught in Palestine well before said conversion, and who refused to qualify or rescind her calls to ending the genocide - succeeding is “bad actually.” Some of youse are just allergic to winning.
@AdemsanArifi Invoking reason in a discussion of faith totally ignores the function of the latter to begin with lol. Anyway, that’s besides what my main point is, which is that mocking religion in the context of organizing is likely only to push people away from your program/movement.
@aniiTweets@B80748543 Yeah, the reason Vance should (and has) been made fun of is because he violates very basic tenets of Catholic social teaching as it has existed for decades.
@AdemsanArifi I don’t think a “dead” set of beliefs like Roman myth is a good comparison to Islam, an extant religion that shares much with other Abrahamic religions. Not as crazy of a transition for someone also raised religious. You could’ve came up with a wittier analogy, no?
@Hadamijo I’m not suggesting a sui generis defense of Islam. I would defend other religions against (childish) derision as well. The problem that I have with ‘dipshit Catholic converts* is not conversion itself; it’s them violating basic Catholic social teaching in their reactionary ways.
@Gunlord500 a political context, it’d be much more fruitful to offer a rigorous, critical look at, say, the spread of Wahhabism in the mid to late 20th century as opposed to ridiculing an anti-genocide candidate who converted to Islam nearly a decade ago (referring to the original post here)
@Gunlord500 Sure. My point is that I don’t think people should lead with criticisms of religion(s) when trying to organize for a political program. Feels like surefire way to push many people away from any would-be movement. Furthermore, I think if one would like to analyze religion in (1/2)
@SakakiIsCute Besides, I think almost all Muslim reverts in the U.S. probably have a strong desire for social justice and likely anti-imperialist goals as well. That is, of course, excluding those Midwest loners that up and join Al Qaeda or ISIS lmao
@SakakiIsCute Agreed on both points. I’d say my main point of all of this is that anyone *actually* serious about advancing a political program should not mock major religions casually. You should be organizing, not alienating.
@SakakiIsCute Ofc not. Instead it just mocks Islam as well as one of the only congressional candidates who refused to couch anti-imperial rhetoric and WON lmao. Of all the things to clown DSA for, there’s no way that’s even top 50 lmao.
@SakakiIsCute True of Marx, but not of OP. Don’t think his post can be interpreted as anything other than derisive. It certainly doesn’t add to any criticism or analysis of religion as Marx or other great theorists do.