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[Gus @Gustova010]

@menacing_apple @iflissisanhaji That makes sense, despite the foreign cultural influences it remains an Amazigh people at the core.

[Gus @Gustova010]

@neverhappened0 You're the one that said genetics. Genetically he would be mostly Iranian. Doesn't matter what larps.

[Gus @Gustova010]

@KinderheimRune The arabs had a religion with a built in mechanism for cultural assimilation into arab culture. And even then, these massive early Caliphates still fell for the reasons he mentioned.

[Gus @Gustova010]

@Alayah6xh @Angelomycm @HueyX1942 @ferrorero The word is Greek in origin, yes. But for us specifically, the reason we are called Berbers is because medieval Arab writers called us "Barbars" and "Barabir", and it stuck from that time.

[Gus @Gustova010]

@Alayah6xh @Angelomycm @HueyX1942 @ferrorero Arabs called us that. It does come from the greek though, yes.

[Gus @Gustova010]

@aqbaylikan @GRIZIUS3 @owen11154 It is a pipe dream.
But even if it were achievable, how is a weak Kabylia (dependant on foreigners for security), and a weakend Algeria beneficial to any of us.
We need an Amazigh nation-state, including Kabyle, Tuareg, Chaoui, and the Arabised, all under one national identity.

[Gus @Gustova010]

@aqbaylikan @GRIZIUS3 @owen11154 Like I said, the state would need to abandon the foreign arab nationalism in favor of a standardised Amazigh Algerian identity. This should be the goal of Berber nationalism, not some pipe dream of dividing and weakening the nation, which would be horrible for all involved.

[Gus @Gustova010]

@aqbaylikan @GRIZIUS3 @owen11154 I want all of you to see yourselves as Berbers, as part of one people, one race. That would mean a standardised national Amazigh identity (alongside bilingual education) by the state and no more calls for autonomy and separatism by you guys. We need our own Age of Nationalism.

[Gus @Gustova010]

@aqbaylikan @GRIZIUS3 @owen11154 You should care about genetics, they are the actual source of your culture and identity. The reason there is repression and tension is because both the arabised and non arabised have no conception of themselves as one single race. That is what's needed here.

[Gus @Gustova010]

@aqbaylikan @GRIZIUS3 @owen11154 They can identify as much as they want, genetically they're still native North Africans, which makes them Amazigh. I'm doing the opposite of denying the existence of a people. They're all Berbers, some like your people held on to their culture, while others got "arabised".

[Gus @Gustova010]

@GRIZIUS3 @aqbaylikan @owen11154 Exactly. The idea that Arabia, which is mostly a barren desert, had enough people to replace native North Africans while still existing in Arabia is ridiculous. The issue that "indigenous Berbers" face is that they adopted an arab culture not that they're ruled by arabs.

[Gus @Gustova010]

@AliceDz9964 Yes, they're following the hybrid approach. Problem is Sharia was made for the pre-modern personalised clan/feudal state. So for nations today you're either a full medieval tribal emirate like the Taliban or you're slowly secularising as material conditions improve like the rest

[Gus @Gustova010]

@AliceDz9964 –while giving the nation's historical muslim faith a special status compared to other faiths.

[Gus @Gustova010]

@AliceDz9964 Of course when I say laicité, I don't necessarily mean something like France's secularism, which not only separates church and state, but makes all faith equal before it. For Muslim nations, a better model would be one that has an explicitly civic legal system, rejecting sharia –

[Gus @Gustova010]

@AliceDz9964 –which can be risky and usually leads to tension among a mostly conservative people, but if done gradually and tactically would pay off in the end.

[Gus @Gustova010]

@AliceDz9964 –pre-modern fusion of state and faith (no state has succeeded in creating a prosperous society following this path), try to persue a hybrid approach (which will secularise overtime as material conditions improve and the people become more educated), or pursue a policy of laïcité.