@HawksFan8898 You might be right, but he hasn’t been a high producing center since like 3-4 years in u20 Swedish juniors. With Swedish junior national teams he played wing. So I’d be kinda shocked if he did the hardest thing in the world in the best league when he didn’t do it in lower ones
@HawksFan8898 Frondell has been better than expected but he has 2 points in his last 6 games. It’s hard to compare because they were playing with better players, but Hagel/Debrincat looked better at 20-22 than every young hawks forward right now besides Bedard.
@HawksFan8898 I guess we’ll see. I’m still gonna watch cuz I’m a masochist, but if you’re right I’ll have no problem admitting that. I don’t want to be right at all. Winning games and being wrong would be way more fun than being right.
@HawksFan8898 Those are best case scenarios IMO. I think most likely scenarios are frondell is a 65pt very solid top 6 winger. I think Frank most likely is a 50-60pt 2nd line winger or center. I think most likely for Kantserov is 40-50pt middle 6 winger. All 4 hitting best case is unlikely
@verstaqpenz You right, I was completely disgusted by the third period. I do think the front office might be so incompetent that they ruin his prime tho. So if he does want out in a few years, I won’t blame him.
@HawksFan8898 So outside Bedard we have no for sure 65+ point guys. Bo and arty are probably 2s as well. So we have 1 top line guy, and zero top pair defensemen. Where are those players coming from?
@HawksFan8898 Okay, I disagree on nazar being a lock top 6. Could be a 3C. I think Moore might work better as a bottom 6 too. Vlasic is a good 3D. Frondell is a top 6 talent but has to be in the right role. Agree on Lardis so that’s a huge hit or nothing.
@HawksFan8898 Frondell/kantserov are in their first season so we’ll leave them out. Rinzel, Moore, Lardis are in their 2nd but also played part of a 3rd. Nazar his 3rd. Kaiser his 4th, vlasic his 5th. Which of them would you say has clearly improved since last season?
@HawksFan8898 But they need to show signs of improvement. Outside of arty they look stagnant or worse compared to last season. The argument with Reichel was he’s young, he’ll improve. Kurashev was up and coming, now he’s in Switzerland. I respect your optimism, but why should I share it?
@OviClapBomb Lol, I think this was 14 mins into the third and we hadn’t had a shot yet. I don’t want him to request a trade, but in 4 years if he does or says he’s not re-signing, I won’t blame him.
@HawksFan8898 They have talent, nowhere near enough high end talent. The talent they have overlaps tho. Not enough frondell-like forwards to forecheck and win pucks. Not enough high end play drivers like bedard.
@HawksFan8898 Sure, and I get you, but the redwings haven’t been relevant since 2013-ish and they aren’t close. The hawks are 4 years behind for now. At 2030 have we waited long enough? How long are you willing to just grind it out hoping it’s going the right way?
@HawksFan8898 I think 5-6 years into this rebuild they should be an 80ish point team. I’m not expecting them to to be a top 3 team in the central. They can’t be a team that gets outplayed 40 mins a night anymore. Even if it’s a “pretty good” team.
@HawksFan8898 I watched the last 45 mins. They weren’t a better team for any of those minutes. They were an even team for maybe 5-10 of them. Honestly, you call me a bad fan? Sure. What would it take for you to say “ya know what this entire org is fucked?”