Heath Denmark

[Heath Denmark @HDenmark13]

Have you met an atheist that had an abortion? I haven’t. But I personally know 3 people who, at a young age, had an abortion. They are all Christians. One of which is now an advocate for a group that supports women who are considering abortion. She carried shame and turned it into an opportunity to help women make a choice to keep their baby, by supporting them and helping them during and after the pregnancy…not by telling them they are evil. She also shows love and support to women who have gone through an abortion and feel guilt, shame, and condemnation about it because of pieces of shit like you who calls every person that has an abortion evil.

But since you want to define evil as “murdering babies”, then let’s work with your definition. How many babies have been murdered by your god?

Let’s see…David’s son because of what David did, so an innocent baby was murdered for the sins of his father…do I need I to keep going down the list or is that enough to show, by your definition, that your god is evil?

I wonder how many “firstborn” babies were killed by the death angel in Egypt? The flood?…death by drowning…can you imagine the sight of all the dead babies in the water?! There’s the Israelite conquests where everyone was murdered, including babies, but sometimes not the virgin girls…wonder why they wanted virgin girls…I digress.

How about when your god threatens to rip open the womb of pregnant women as punishment?

Oh and when your Jesus comes back…how many babies will die when he kills everyone on earth that doesn’t believe?

But one of the most chilling is in Ezekiel where god confesses that he commanded child sacrifice as a form of punishment.

You’re going to say something stupid like god can do whatever he wants and that’s different than when humans do it…if that’s your stance then you are morally bankrupt and a danger to society.

[Heath Denmark @HDenmark13]

@GerardoDia92640 @themockingjay22 @ChristiansSTDT I granted you this in another post, but now I have to ask, where do you get this narrative that the devil was gods friend and that he rebelled? I know that’s the Christian belief, but can you tell me where this comes from?

[Heath Denmark @HDenmark13]

You basically restated the doctrine that I’ve already granted.

But you’ve missed the point while proving my point—think about how easily you say “without the shedding of blood” and not even think about the fact that you call a god loving that demands blood sacrifice. You focus on the sweet lamb laying down his life. But my point is that your god demands that lamb to be slaughtered and blood be spilled.

If you were on trial for the worst crimes and the judge says, “I love you so much that I’m going to kill my innocent son instead of you.” Then he has his son brought out in front where he tells the guards to start beating him and torturing him. Then they hang him on a cross and crucify him. Afterwards, the judge says “if you believe I did this for you, then you can become my son and you can live with me forever!” Is this loving and just? Do you actually want to be with the judge that ceremoniously murdered his innocent son for your crimes?

[Heath Denmark @HDenmark13]

You basically restated the doctrine that I’ve already granted.

But you’ve missed the point while proving my point—think about how easily you say “without the shedding of blood” and not even think about the fact that you call a god loving that demands blood sacrifice. You focus on the sweet lamb laying down his life. But my point is that your god demands that lamb to be slaughtered and blood be spilled.

If you were on trial for the worst crimes and the judge says, “I love you so much that I’m going to kill my innocent son instead of you.” Then he has his son brought out in front where he tells the guards to start beating him and torturing him. Then they hang him on a cross and crucify him. Afterwards, the judge says “if you believe I did this for you, then you can become my son and you can live with me forever!” Is this loving and just? Do you actually want to be with the judge that ceremoniously murdered his innocent son for your crimes?

[Heath Denmark @HDenmark13]

So you believe satan had free will in heaven, and chose to sin, but when you and the small percentage of people that find the narrow gate get there that you will no longer use your free will for sinful things?

You say Satan was gods friend, and let’s just grant that he was. You really think an angel who knew god personally and hung out with him would have the bright idea to think he could overthrow him and sin against him? Can’t you see the silliness in this story? It’s just a narrative created by an ancient tribe to explain where evil comes from

[Heath Denmark @HDenmark13]

@GerardoDia92640 @themockingjay22 @ChristiansSTDT I’ll give you this, but only because there is still a lot of debate among scholars not because you pointed out the scholarship that agrees with your view.

[Heath Denmark @HDenmark13]

@GerardoDia92640 @themockingjay22 @ChristiansSTDT If you believe god is all knowing, then he knew what the devil would become before he created him. If he knew the outcome, then he intended it to happen the way it did.

[Heath Denmark @HDenmark13]

What I find unsettling is how otherwise normal people can describe the torture and execution of an innocent person as “good news.”

I understand the argument: it’s considered good because of what it supposedly accomplished for the guilty. But that skips over the method. From Leviticus to the crucifixion and ultimately to Revelation, the biblical story repeatedly presents bloodshed, sacrifice, and death as necessary to satisfy God’s justice.

Not only is this blood-sacrifice framework accepted, it is celebrated. Christians sing about being “washed in the blood,” speak of the “power of the blood,” and participate in a sacred ritual commemorating the eating of Christ’s flesh and the drinking of his blood. Concepts that would seem disturbing in any other religious context are reframed as beautiful and loving simply because they are familiar.

Christians focus on the benefit to the guilty and call it grace. I can’t get past the mechanism. If forgiveness requires torture, sacrifice, and bloodshed before it can be extended, that isn’t good news to me.

[Heath Denmark @HDenmark13]

Pastor? Imagine being Jesse and getting invited to this church, the one lead by the guy that publicly shamed him for “sin” because this is the one sin that the pastor doesn’t struggle with. @MattSmethurst, you should read and reread the part where Jesus didn’t throw the stones and definitely did not give the others a platform to throw them. Go ahead and deflect to your defense of the aborted baby, but remember that you posted and shared this about another human being that you believe is currently going to hell and only offered him judgement and shame while providing a platform for people to beat him up. “There’s no hate like Christian love”

[Heath Denmark @HDenmark13]

Isaiah 45:7 disagrees. He also hardens hearts, sends lying spirits, boasts to Moses that he creates deaf, blind, and mute people, and the Bible claims that it all sifts through his hand.

Did he create the devil? Did he not know what the devil was going to do? If he’s the creator of all things, then why is his creation capable of this evil you speak of? And don’t give me the free will bull unless you think you have no free will in heaven. If you can have a heaven with free will beings living there, then you can have an earth with the same.

[Heath Denmark @HDenmark13]

Christians can’t help themselves…I literally pointed out that you are going to defend drowning children as justice, and you didn’t even hesitate to do so.

And thanks for pointing out that not only did an Omni god create humans that the Bible says he “regretted”, but he failed to solve anything after killing them all off.

[Heath Denmark @HDenmark13]

If there is an all loving god, then when he murders a newborn for the sins of his father, then it is loving to do so.

Your objectively morality is based on a god that murders and calls it love. You worship the god who predestined the murder of his son as a blood sacrifice and calls it the most loving thing to do.

Under the bibles objective morality there is a good reason to murder children and take virgins as war spoils. You believe murdering everyone on earth, including children and pregnant women, via drowning is an act of love from an all loving god.

[Heath Denmark @HDenmark13]

The condescension behind empty “kind”words can be so frustrating. So many times when I’m able to point out a fallacy or immoral thing that a theist believes, they resort to “well god loves you, I hope you have a nice day” or something similar. The virtue signaling of “I’m going to take the high road” when they become aware of their error during a debate is such a cop out.

[Heath Denmark @HDenmark13]

That’s the problem…they don’t think. Imagine if they said the quiet part out loud…As they look at their children and tell them, “I’m so glad I have heaven to look forward to because dedicating my life to loving you and taking care of you would be meaningless.” Which implies, “if heaven isn’t real, then I’m not bothering to father you because it’ll be a big waste of my time when you eventually die”.

Gross and delusional.

[Heath Denmark @HDenmark13]

@McClureShawn It’s amazing how they just ignore their own presuppositions when trying to reason. The fact that they presuppose things like an omniscient god that is all loving is why they can’t use the same arguments that are used against them.

[Heath Denmark @HDenmark13]

Big pharm PUSHED TRT?! Hahaha congrats you earned another click and a comment from someone so that I can tell you how outlandishly false that statement is. TRT being pushed by big pharma would be self destructive because it actually has been proven to do all the things your claim rhodiola does. The difference is that TRT moves the needle in a meaningful way.

[Heath Denmark @HDenmark13]

I’m not familiar with the concept of pluperfect tense, but I do understand the chronological meaning of “when” and “then.” If a third grader can comprehend the sequence of creation and find a contradiction, we must question why an omnipotent deity would require “scholars” to explain why his divinely inspired word about the actual beginning of things doesn’t contradict. This is a question that has intrigued people across all cultures throughout history and the vast majority don’t have scholars to help.

Perhaps we could discuss the idea that Eve was an afterthought after God initially attempted to create an animal companion for Adam. That’s a fun one!

[Heath Denmark @HDenmark13]

God given right? Biblical? Hmm let’s take a look:

“They shall fall by the sword;
their little ones shall be dashed in pieces,
and their pregnant women ripped open.”
- Hosea 13:16

“Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.”
- 1 Samuel 15:3

So what I’m gathering is only if you’re on gods side. Then he’ll protect the babies…

Oh wait…what’s this:

“But if in spite of this you will not listen to me…
I will walk contrary to you in fury…
You shall eat the flesh of your sons, and you shall eat the flesh of your daughters.”
- Leviticus 26:27-29

So even his own is threatened with eating their children if they don’t listen. Seems this “right” of the babies is conditional to the parent’s obedience.

I’m not saying I’m pro-abortion, but let’s stop using the bible to defend something it just doesn’t. At best, the bible is inconsistent on the matter