@lynngranger61 My reading about The End episode and the message behind it is that Sam and Dean humanize each other when they are together even when at the worst between them. Because we can see how they were hunting by alone. But i can't say that the show put the message beyond this episode
@lynngranger61 Its funny because for me the one self righteous to me is Dean. That man exudes self rightousness. Sam in season 5 being blamed for all that bs is unbelivable. I dont know what they wanted beside demonize Sam.
@lynngranger61 No, its not fine and the fact that its left unresolved is absurd. I think its very strange to Dean trust in anything the angels present to him after season 4 when it is made clear that they want the apocalypse. Its very convenient to the text he still trust them after the finale.
@lynngranger61 I think he wouldnt know any plan of Sam because they were no contact but again... My previous theory was bad lol anyways Its kind of amazing that endverse Dean resents Sam for saying yes when he was treating him like shit and let him alone to be stalked by Lucifer.
@lynngranger61 He throw the amulet away in front of Sam because he knew would hurt. He was hurt in Heaven, Sam's Heaven didnt have enough of them so he throws them away, the symbol of them. I think after The End he wanted to keep an eye but also it was the excuse he needed to going back to Sam.
@keepurpl This alternate timeline is a bit weird to me. I would think John vanishing earlier would made them start to hunt together again earlier. And the demons wouldn't leave him alone. 🤔 But its too funny that ted talk with Sam so... I wont complain.
@lynngranger61 S1 to s3 Dean was such ride or die for Sam. In S4 he was almost another character but i try to give him some grave because he was tortured in hell. If he was a character well writing i would say that deep down resents and punish Sam for hell (but unfortunely its not that deep)
"dean would rather die than choose between cass and sam" i love this self soothing agenda where ppl act like dean didn't choose sam over castiel several times and would make him beef jerky if sam said he was hungry
@lynngranger61 Like... You had a season to end this arc and it losing time with the body snatched episode? And could be such a good episode if Sam and Dean exchanged bodies. They look each other from the outsider perspective, etc.
@lynngranger61 I just love the song remains the same. Its such a good episode. Argh. The End is a bit of a classic (I wish that Sam was with Dean because would be a shit show). Abandon all hope. Swan Song is very good too. But i cant believe they lost tv time with some 'funny' episodes.
@lynngranger61 They did this to a point in Mistery Spot and it was good but even this is more a dark Sam than a villain Sam. I can see Dean self rightousness make him just as inflexible as Gordon and Sam could became more and more cold and calculating if alone.
And to my hottest take yet... I dont like the Vessel storyline. Didnt like in s4 and s5 and like even less thinking in what they did in later seasons. Its the weak way to have a storyline of Sam going dark without have to make Sam the villain. He isnt the devil but its vessel.
Dean had Jo and Bobby and Castiel...
Sam had no one, just the hope of fixing things up for once in his life... he had no one but Lucifer to hold him at nights...