@ilduder@Dearme2_@DearS_o_n That is chosen holiness. True faith is not doubting that the father has loved you from before the beginning of the world, as Christ has declared him and will declare him, “that the world may know that thou hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.” John 17
“But I bring you witnesses (sayth the Lord) even those that are my servants/ whom I have chosen: to the intent that ye might be certified and give me faithful credence: yea and to consider/ that I am he/ before whom there was never any God/ and that there shall be none after me. I am only the Lord/ and without me is there no Saviour. I give warning/ I make whole/ I teach you that there should be no strange God among you. And this record must ye bear me yourselves (sayth the Lord) that I am God. And even he am I from the beginning/ and there is none that can take any thing out of my hand. And what I do/ can no man change.” - Isaiah 43
@davidvance They both trust on their works to save them. They believe not in the love of God from the beginning of the world, that is to say, they do not believe Christ’s word.