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PS120:7A: “I am for peace”

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@MosesNatan @hdpayens AT19:3, what they believed was necessary.

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@MosesNatan @hdpayens I agree with baptism being the circumcision of the heart (CL2:11) and entering into the family of God.

However, this spiritual event is not a 1:1 replacement meaning you can’t just take practices of OT circumcision and think they apply.

Spiritual family is NOT physical MT12:50.

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@MosesNatan @hdpayens Personal faith was not required for circumcision, CL2:12 requires it for baptism.

Again can a baby not knowing the word “Jesus” have faith that God raised Jesus? Yes or no?

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@MosesNatan @hdpayens So are you saying a baby that cannot understand what Jesus means has CL2:12 faith that God raised Jesus from the dead?

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@MosesNatan @hdpayens I would Never forbid baptism from children. I am only saying a CL2:12 baptism requires personal faith.

No faith? Not a CL2:12 compliant baptism.

I don’t think a person that cannot understand the word Jesus can have this faith.

Stop trying to wriggle out of this requirement.

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@MosesNatan @hdpayens Cl2:12: in baptism, you were raised with Him through your faith in the power of God, who raised Him from the dead

If you are saying a person that cannot understand even the name Jesus can have this belief, I disagree.

Otherwise, once a child can believe this, be baptized!!

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@MosesNatan @hdpayens Then why did you say it was their parents faith? Your chatachism also says this but now you change your mind?

When was the last time you heard an infant call on the name of the lord? RM10:13

How can they call if they have not believed? RM10:14

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@MosesNatan @hdpayens CL2:12 says "through your faith".

This is my proof, personal faith is required for baptism.

Whether others obey this or not does not matter.

RM3:4: Let God be true and every man be a liar.

Even if they claim to be "christians".

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@Moralityrevived 1CR14:34: "the women are to keep silent in the churches; for they are not permitted to speak, but are to subject themselves, just as the Law also says."

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@MosesNatan @hdpayens This is where you are making it up.

CL2:12 says "through your faith" not your parents.

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@MosesNatan @hdpayens How? It takes personal faith from the baptized.

CL2:12: “in baptism, you were raised with Him through your faith in the power of God”

Infants do not have this. Any dunking is just playing in water without faith.

Do u recognize CL2:12 faith requirement?

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@MosesNatan @hdpayens You are correct, the promise is for children.

My point is only for infants since baptism requires faith, according to CL2:12. In order to have faith one must be told (RM10:14), infants cannot understand any language.

Children can hear and believe and call on the name. (RM10:9)

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@baelize @hdpayens The teaching is: 1PT3:21: "water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ".

The spirit is the gift given with baptism AT2:38.

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@hdpayens 1PT3:21: "…baptism… saves you through the resurection."

CL2:12: "…baptism, in which you were also raised with him through your faith in the working of God"

What is there to interpret? Without this faith we are not raised and there is NO baptism.

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@MartinP49146517 You are asking if I believe in made up doctrines?

Obviously no.

You can agree that the PROT66 is authoritative even if you think others books are authoritative... Right?

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@hdpayens Which do you contend with?
1PT3:21D, CL2:12, or MT23:9?

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@MartinP49146517 PROT66: yes i recognize these as authoritative.

Others? It depends, but we can all at least agree on the PROT66 even if I want to incorporate Jasher and you might not.

These doctrines you listed are made up.

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@MartinP49146517 No. If I understand your question.

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@Guilcat96Lewis @MartinP49146517 So what is the persecution for?

We agree that serving created things is wrong RM1:25.

This is why lighting candles, putting stuff on statues, making grottos, etc. is paganism. It is service of a statue.

This has nothing to do with protestantism.

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@MartinP49146517 I am not protestant. Go persecute someone else.