@zeus1212121212@EricLDaugh Considering the victims and survivors of Epstein still don’t have justice—and now pretty much the entire GOP is allegedly pro-letting the Epstein co-criminals off the hook, I’d say unfortunately it’s been longer than just a brief moment.
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@Its_Just_Eddie3@HannahStrege I’m not going to have a conversation with someone who argues in favor of killing people.
Much less, someone pushing me to consider self-harm.
Seconding the context question:
Years ago a mom told a funny, true story in a parenting group about giving the world’s most detailed description of tar, only to finally ask why they asked.
“You know the song, ‘We Three Kings of Glory and Tar?’, well I knew what glory is but I didn’t know what tar was.”
I know it’s popular to insult people using this former medical term nowadays, but I think it says a lot about just how much society has lost a sense of basic manners.
You’re definitely not ignorant or anything else that they mean to imply, by using that term.
Disability is not a lessening of worth.
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@2ndAlphasapien@TheBabylonBee That’s actually a good point.
There’s usually a heavy amount of ableism involved, but hadn’t considered the dehumanization language in terms of body-shaming before.
@Its_Just_Eddie3@HannahStrege The children who survive the freezing and thawing process can go on to have perfectly normal lives, but that risk of dying before or after implantation is sadly not small.
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Non-elective are never medically necessary, and are in fact far more dangerous for the life of the mother (higher risk of minor to even life-ending complications, the farther along the baby is in development). There’s also increased risk of mental health issues for moms (and sometimes the fathers) who go this route.
You’re arguing in favor of ending a life before birth—using very painful methods, versus allowing a natural post-birth death with palliative care being given until this occurs.
Ending an innocent life is inhumane and far more dangerous for all involved than providing life-saving care or palliative care, depending on the situation.
Another factor to consider: A certain amount of fatal-prognosis situations are proven false, meaning sometimes a life is ended that would have otherwise survived. I can think of several such cases, even just among my own acquaintances.
One common method in later stages of development, involves the child having their arms and legs ripped out of their sockets, with their skull and/or chest cavity being crushed or bashed in.
Sometimes the person performing this procedure takes care to ensure no vital ($ profitable) organs are impacted, per undercover videos with workers in the industry, as illegal sales of these organs can be very lucrative. There’s a reporter in CA who caught several conversations on camera about the financial aspect of such harvesting.
The US has banned the “water bag” method and the partial-birth method (where the child is born or partially born and then killed; the latter involves severing the spinal cord while the baby is halfway out of the birth canal).