Etienne Arsenault

🙏Be Happy🙏Soyez Heureux🙏
LA VIE Claire comme de l'eau de roche, Transparente & Pure A Journey of a Thousand Miles Begin With A First Step

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Life is a Gorgeous Rose
Life without thorns is not Life but Heaven on Earth

A Pure Mind
Strips the THORNS off Life

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674- 🙏 ENG | Jiddu Krishnamurti
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2nd Public Talk (1933-1968) Right Action ?
☀ Mexico City, 27th October, 1935

FRIENDS, EVERYONE DESIRES TO BE HAPPY, TO BE COMPLETE AND TO FULFIL; TO FULFIL IN ORDER THAT THERE MAY BE NO EMPTINESS, NO VOID, BUT A DEEP RICHNESS OF CONTINUAL SUFFICIENCY. ONE CALLS THIS THE SEARCH FOR TRUTH OR GOD, OR GIVES SOME OTHER NAME TO IT TO CONVEY THE DEEP DESIRE FOR REALITY. Now this desire, for most people, becomes merely an escape, a flight from the actuality of conflict. There is so much suffering and confusion in and about us that we seek a supposed reality as a means of flight from the present.

FOR MOST PEOPLE, WHAT THEY CALL REALITY OR GOD OR HAPPINESS IS MERELY AN ESCAPE FROM SUFFERING, FROM THIS CONTINUAL TENSION BETWEEN ACTION AND UNDERSTANDING. Each one tries to find an escape from this conflict through some kind of illusion which is offered by religions or by various so-called spiritual societies and sects; or he seeks to lose himself in some kind of activity.

Now if you carefully examine what these societies offer organized, as they are, around a belief, as are all religions and sects - you will find that they give security, comfort, through a saviour or a Master, through guides, through following certain systems of thought, ideals and modes of conduct. All these modes of conduct, systems, assure a subtle form of egotistic security, self-defence against life, against the confusion created by thoughtlessness. As we cannot understand life with its swift movement, we look to systems to help us out, and these we call modes of conduct or patterns of behaviour. SO, BEING AFRAID OF CONFUSION AND SORROW, YOU CREATE FOR YOURSELVES AN AUTHORITY THAT ASSURES YOU OF SAFETY AND SECURITY AGAINST THE FLOW OF REALITY.

Take, for example, the desire to follow an ideal or a mode of conduct. Now why is there the need to follow an ideal, a principle or a pattern of behaviour? You say that you need an ideal because there is so much confusion in and about you; that this ideal will act as a guide, as a directive force to help you across this confusion, uncertainty and turmoil. In order not to be caught in this suffering, you subtly escape through an ideal, which you call living nobly. That is, you do not want to confront and understand the confusion itself, and you do not desire to comprehend the causes of conflict; your only concern is to avoid sorrow. So ideals, modes of conduct, offer a convenient escape from actuality.

IN THE SAME WAY, IF YOU EXAMINE YOUR SEARCH FOR GUIDES AND SAVIOURS, THERE IS IN IT A SUBTLE AND HIDDEN DESIRE TO RUN AWAY FROM SUFFERING. WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT SEEKING TRUTH, REALITY, YOU ARE REALLY SEEKING COMPLETE SELF-PROTECTION,

EITHER HERE OR IN THE HEREAFTER. You are moulding yourself after a pattern that guarantees you against suffering. This pattern, this mould, you call morality, creed, belief.

Now all this indicates that there is a deep, hidden fear of life, which must naturally create authority. So where there is authority in the form of an ideal, a mode of conduct, or a person, there must be egotistic craving for protection and security. In this there is not a spark of reality. Thus your actions, shaped and controlled by ideals, are always made incomplete, for they are based upon defensive reaction against intelligence, life.

IN FOLLOWING AN IDEAL OR A MODE OF CONDUCT, OR SUBMITTING ONESELF TO A PARTICULAR AUTHORITY. EITHER OF RELIGION, OF A SECT OR OF SOCIETY, THERE CANNOT BE TRUE FULFILMENT; AND ONLY THROUGH FULFILMENT IS THERE THE BLISS OF TRUTH. ☀More to come ☀ STAY TUNED ☀

🕊️ 🙏 Sadhu ! Sadhu ! Sadhu ! 🙏 🕊️ Among others it is used to express shared joy, moral approval, and spiritual agreement. Also means « excellent, well done, or it is good.» - «Amen or Hallelujah»

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Causerie (1933-1968) Qu'est-ce que L'action Juste ?
☀ Mexico City, Mexique 2ème Causerie le 27 octobre 1935

CHACUN DÉSIRE ÊTRE HEUREUX, ÊTRE COMPLET ET ÉPANOUI; CHACUN DÉSIRE S'ACCOMPLIR AFIN QU'IL N'Y AIT PAS DE VIDE, MAIS UNE PROFONDE RICHESSE ET UNE PLÉNITUDE CONTINUELLE. ON APPELLE CELA LA RECHERCHE DE LA VÉRITÉ, DE DIEU, OU ON LUI DONNE UN AUTRE NOM POUR EXPRIMER CE PROFOND DÉSIR QU'ON A DE LA RÉALITÉ.

Or, ce désir, pour la plupart des gens, devient simplement une évasion, une fuite hors de l'actualité du conflit. Il y a tant de souffrance et de confusion en nous et autour de nous que nous cherchons une soi-disant réalité comme moyen de nous évader hors du présent. POUR LA PLUPART DES PERSONNES, CE QU'ELLES APPELLENT LA RÉALITÉ, OU DIEU, OU LE BONHEUR N'EST PAS AUTRE CHOSE QU'UNE FUITE HORS DE LA SOUFFRANCE, HORS DE CETTE CONTINUELLE TENSION ENTRE L'ACTION ET LA COMPRÉHENSION. Chacun essaie de trouver une évasion à son conflit dans une illusion quelconque qui nous est offerte par les religions ou par les différentes soi-disant sociétés et sectes spirituelles; ou bien on cherche à se perdre dans une activité quelconque.

Or, si vous examinez soigneusement ce que ces sociétés offrent - organisées comme elles le sont autour d'une croyance, ainsi que le sont toutes les religions et les sectes - vous verrez qu'elles donnent la sécurité et le réconfort à travers un Sauveur ou un Maître, à travers des guides, à travers certains systèmes de pensée, des idéals et des règles de conduite. Toutes ces règles de conduite, ces systèmes, assurent une forme subtile de sécurité égocentrique, de défense contre la vie, contre la confusion engendrée par le manque de réflexion.

Comme nous ne pouvons pas comprendre la vie avec son mouvement rapide, nous nous tournons vers des systèmes afin qu'ils nous sortent de là, et ces systèmes nous les appelons des modes de conduite ou des exemples de comportement. AYANT PEUR DE LA CONFUSION ET DE LA SOUFFRANCE, NOUS CRÉONS POUR NOUS-MÊMES UNE AUTORITÉ QUI NOUS DONNE L'ASSURANCE DE LA CERTITUDE ET DE LA SÉCURITÉ CONTRE LE FLUX DE LA RÉALITÉ.

Considérons, par exemple, le désir que l'on a de suivre un idéal ou une façon de se conduire. Pourquoi existe le besoin de suivre un idéal, un principe ou un exemple de conduite? Vous dites que vous avez besoin d'un idéal, parce qu'il y a tant de confusion dans vous et autour de vous. Vous dites que cet idéal agira comme un guide, comme une force directrice pour vous aider à travers cette confusion, cette incertitude et ce tumulte.

Cont.Qu'est-ce que L'action Juste ?💥
Afin de n'être pas attrapé dans cette souffrance, vous vous évadez subtilement à travers un idéal que vous appelez une vie noble. En d'autres termes, vous ne voulez pas affronter et comprendre la confusion elle-même et vous ne désirez pas comprendre les causes du conflit: la seule chose qui vous intéresse, c'est d'éviter la douleur. Les idéals et les règles de conduite offrent une évasion commode hors de l'actuel.

DE LA MÊME FAÇON, SI VOUS EXAMINEZ VOTRE RECHERCHE POUR DES GUIDES ET DES SAUVEURS, IL Y A EN CELA UN DÉSIR SUBTIL ET CACHÉ DE FUIR LA SOUFFRANCE. LORSQUE VOUS PARLEZ DE RECHERCHER LA VÉRITÉ, LA RÉALITÉ, VOUS ÊTES SIMPLEMENT EN TRAIN DE CHERCHER UNE AUTOPROTECTION COMPLÈTE, SOIT DANS CE MONDE, SOIT DANS L'AU-DELÀ. Vous vous conformez vous-mêmes à un modèle qui vous garantit contre la souffrance. Ce modèle, ce moule, vous l'appelez la morale, la croyance, le credo. Tout cela indique une peur profonde et cachée de la vie, qui doit inévitablement engendrer l'autorité. Où existe l'autorité, sous la forme d'un idéal, d'un mode de conduite ou d'une personne, il doit y avoir une soif intérieure et égocentrique de protection et de sécurité.

En cela, il n'y a pas un seul atome de sécurité. Ainsi vos actions façonnées et contrôlées par des idéals sont toujours rendues incomplètes, car elles sont basées sur une réaction défensive contre l'intelligence de la vie.

EN SUIVANT UN IDÉAL OU UNE RÈGLE DE CONDUITE OU EN VOUS SOUMETTANT À UNE AUTORITÉ PARTICULIÈRE, SOIT D'UNE RELIGION, SOIT D'UNE SECTE, SOIT D'UNE SOCIÉTÉ, IL NE PEUT EXISTER DE VRAI ACCOMPLISSEMENT, ET CE N'EST QUE PAR CET ÉPANOUISSEMENT QUE PEUT SE PRODUIRE LA BÉATITUDE DE LA VÉRITÉ.
☀ Suite à venir ☀ SOYEZ ATTENTIF ☀

🕊️ 🙏 Sadhu ! Sadhu ! Sadhu ! 🙏 🕊️ Utilisé entre autres pour exprimer une joie partagée de dévotion, une approbation des valeurs morales et spirituelles. Aussi une expression d’accord et d’éloge, signifiant « excellent, bien, bon » – « Amen » ou « Alléluia »

J.K. Krishnamurti
|❖ Pleine Conscience ¤ Maîtrise de Soi ¤ Spiritualité ¤ Clarté Mentale ¤ Non-attachement ❖|

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671- 🙏 ENG | Jiddu Krishnamurti
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4thPublic Talk Right Action ☀ Buenos Aires, 22nd July, 1935

Either the existing society, with morality and religion, is fundamentally true and so help the individual to fulfil; or, if it is true, that we must completely revolutionize our thought and action. So the change depends on individual thought and action. You have to inquire whether your religions, moralities, are true. I say they are not; because society is based on acquisitiveness, moral values on self-protective security, and religion, which is organized belief, fundamentally on fear, though we try to cover this up by calling it love of God, love of truth.

IF THERE IS TO BE TRUE FULFILMENT, THERE CANNOT BE THIS SENSE OF POSSESSIVENESS OR ACQUISITIVENESS, NOR THESE MORAL VALUES BASED ON DEFENSIVE, EGOISTIC SECURITY, NOR THESE RELIGIONS, WITH THEIR PROMISES OF IMMORTALITY WHICH IS BUT ANOTHER FORM OF SELFISHNESS AND FEAR.

SO YOU, THE INDIVIDUAL, WILL HAVE TO AWAKEN TO THE PRISON IN WHICH YOU ARE HELD; AND BY BECOMING CONSCIOUS, AWARE, YOU WILL BEGIN TO DISCOVER WHAT IS STUPIDITY AND WHAT IS INTELLIGENCE. It is through your own intelligence that there can be fulfilment, not through acceptance of authority. So what is of importance is the individual, for only through his own intelligence is there fulfilment, the ecstasy of life.

This does not mean that I am preaching individualism. Quite the contrary; it is the individualistic system of religious faith and belief, of moral values and acquisitive conduct, that is hindering true fulfilment. SO YOU WHO ARE LISTENING, YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND, YOU HAVE TO BREAK AWAY FROM THIS PRISON THROUGH YOUR OWN INTELLIGENT DISCERNMENT; AND THIS DEMANDS CONTINUAL ALERTNESS OF MIND. THERE CANNOT BE THE FOLLOWING OF ANOTHER, NOR CAN THERE BE THE ACCEPTANCE OF AUTHORITY, FOR IN THIS THERE IS FEAR; AND FEAR DESTROYS ALL DISCERNMENT.

―⁈ Q.: I believe that I have no attachments whatsoever, and still I don't feel myself free. That is this painful feeling of being imprisoned, and what am I to do about it?
☀ K.: ONE SEEKS DETACHMENT RATHER THAN THE UNDERSTANDING OF THE CAUSE OF SUFFERING. Now, when one suffers through possessiveness, one tries to develop the opposite, which is detachment. in other words, one becomes detached in order not to be hurt, and this opposite, one calls virtue. IF ONE REALLY DISCOVERED WHAT IS THE CAUSE OF SUFFERING, THEN IN UNDERSTANDING IT DEEPLY, WITH ONE'S WHOLE BEING, THE MIND WOULD BE FREE TO LIVE FULLY AND COMPLETELY, AND NOT FALL INTO ANOTHER PRISON, THE PRISON OF THE OPPOSITE.

―⁈ Q.: Are you also against such organizations as railways, etc?
☀ K.: I have been referring to those organizations which we have created through self-protective fears.

Now, most organizations in the world are based on exploitation, but I was referring especially to the organizations of religious belief throughout the world.

I maintain that these religious, sectarian organizations are real impediments to man. Those of you who belong to religious organizations, please don't be on the defensive when I say this, but try to find out if it is so or not. If you discover it is not so, then it is right to have them. But before saying that religious organizations are necessary, you must really impartially examine them.

How are you going to examine them. To examine anything objectively, your mind must be completely impersonal. That means you must DOUBT EVERY BELIEF, EVERY IDEAL THAT YOU HAVE HELD SO FAR OR THAT THESE ORGANIZATIONS OFFER. Through that questioning there comes a distinct conflict; and only when there is conflict can you begin to understand the right significance of organized beliefs. If you merely examine them intellectually, you will never understand their true significance. That is why most religions forbid their followers to doubt. Doubt has become a religious fetter, an impediment. YOU HAVE, THROUGH YOUR OWN FEAR, DEVELOPED CERTAIN BELIEFS, IDEALS,

ILLUSIONS TO WHICH YOU HAVE BECOME ENSLAVED, AND IT IS ONLY THROUGH YOUR OWN SUFFERING THAT YOU WILL UNDERSTAND THEIR TRUE SIGNIFICANCE.

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RIGHT ACTION
WHAT IS RIGHT ACTION?
―⁈ Q.: There are people who on the one hand exploit thousands of human beings. and on the other donate millions of dollars to religious institutions, Why? (Laughter)
☀ K.: You laugh at this question, but you, also, are involved in it. We exploit, we amass wealth, and then we become philanthropists. Perhaps some of you have not the ruthless cleverness to amass wealth, but you do the same thing in another way, in pursuing virtue.
So what is behind this false charity of the philanthropist, and this false eagerness to accumulate virtue? The philanthropist, through fear, through many defensive reactions, wants to repay a little to the victim whom he has exploited. (Laughter) And you honour him, you say how wonderful he is. That is not charity. It is merely egotism.

And why do you pursue virtue and try to store it up? It is a defensive protection. It is a safeguard against suffering. Your virtue, if you really examine it, is based on the egotistic idea of warding off suffering. This self-protection is not virtue.

By knowing what you are and not escaping from it, through so-called virtue, you will discover the beauty, the richness of life.

The philanthropist, through his desire for security, entrenches himself in the power that possessions give; and the man who pursues virtue builds about himself walls of protection against the movement of life. The virtuous man and the philanthropist are alike. Both are afraid of life. They are not in love with life. ☀

🕊️ 🙏 Sadhu ! Sadhu ! Sadhu ! 🙏 🕊️ Among others it is used to express shared joy, moral approval, and spiritual agreement. Also means « excellent, well done, or it is good.» - «Amen or Hallelujah»

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Causerie (1933-1968) Qu'est-ce que L'action Juste ?
☀ Buenos Aires, Argentine 4ème - 22 juillet 1935

De deux choses l'une, ou la société existante avec sa morale et sa religion est essentiellement vraie et aide l'individu à s'accomplir, ou, si elle n'est pas vraie, nous devons complètement, révolutionnairement changer notre pensée et notre action. Donc, le changement dépend de la pensée et de l'action individuelles. Il vous faut chercher à savoir si vos religions et vos morales sont vraies. Je dis qu'elles ne le sont pas, parce que la société est basée sur le sens de l'acquisition, sur des valeurs morales engendrées par la sécurité autoprotectrice et par la religion.

Celle-ci est une croyance organisée fondamentalement sur la peur, bien que nous essayons de voiler cela en l'appelant l'amour pour Dieu, l'amour pour la vérité. SI NOUS VOULONS QU'EXISTE UN VÉRITABLE ACCOMPLISSEMENT, CE SENS POSSESSIF ET D'ACQUISITION NE DOIT PAS EXISTER, NI CES VALEURS MORALES BASÉES SUR NOTRE SÉCURITÉ DÉFENSIVE ET ÉGOÏSTE, NI CES RELIGIONS AVEC LEURS PROMESSES D'IMMORTALITÉ QUI NE SONT QU'UNE AUTRE FORME DE L'ÉGOÏSME ET DE LA PEUR.
DONC, VOUS, EN TANT QU'INDIVIDUS, VOUS DEVEZ VOUS ÉVEILLER DE CETTE PRISON DANS LAQUELLE VOUS ÊTES RETENUS; ET EN DEVENANT CONSCIENTS, LUCIDES, VOUS COMMENCEREZ À DÉCOUVRIR CE QU'EST LA STUPIDITÉ ET CE QU'EST L'INTELLIGENCE.

C’est à travers votre propre intelligence que vous pourrez vous accomplir et non en acceptant l'autorité. Donc, ce qui est important c'est l'individu, car ce n'est que par sa propre intelligence qu'il pourra accomplir et qu'existera l'extase de la vie. Ceci ne veut pas dire que je prêche l'individualisme. Bien au contraire, c'est le système individualiste de religions, de croyances, de valeurs morales et de conduites basées sur l'acquisition qui empêche l'accomplissement véritable.

Donc, VOUS QUI ÉCOUTEZ, DEVEZ COMPRENDRE QUE VOUS DEVEZ VOUS ÉLOIGNER DE CETTE PRISON PAR VOTRE PROPRE DISCERNEMENT INTELLIGENT ET CECI EXIGE UNE CONTINUELLE VIVACITÉ DE L'ESPRIT. ON NE PEUT PAS SUIVRE UN AUTRE, NI ACCEPTER L'AUTORITÉ, CAR EN CELA IL Y A DE LA PEUR ET LA PEUR DÉTRUIT TOUT DISCERNEMENT.

―⁈ Q.: Je crois n'avoir aucune attache et pourtant je ne me sens pas libre. Quel est ce sentiment pénible d'être emprisonné et que dois-je faire à ce sujet?
☀ K.: ON CHERCHE LE DÉTACHEMENT, PLUTÔT QU'ON NE CHERCHE À COMPRENDRE LA CAUSE DE LA SOUFFRANCE. Lorsque quelqu'un souffre à cause de son sens possessif, il essaie de développer le contraire qui est le détachement. En d'autres mots, on se détache afin de ne pas avoir mal et cette opposition on l'appelle vertu. SI ON DÉCOUVRAIT RÉELLEMENT QUELLE EST LA CAUSE DE LA SOUFFRANCE, ALORS EN LA COMPRENANT PROFONDÉMENT, AVEC TOUT SON ÊTRE, L'ESPRIT SERAIT LIBRE DE VIVRE PLEINEMENT ET COMPLÈTEMENT ET DE NE PAS TOMBER DANS UNE AUTRE PRISON, LA PRISON DE L'OPPOSÉ.

⁈ Q.: Êtes-vous aussi contre des organisations comme celle des chemins de fer, etc.?
☀ K.: J'ai parlé de ces organisations que vous avez créées à cause de vos craintes autoprotectrices. La plupart des organisations dans le monde sont basées sur l'exploitation, mais j'ai parlé plus spécialement des organisations des croyances religieuses à travers le monde. J'affirme que ces religions, ces organisations sectaires sont de véritables entraves pour l'homme.

Ceux d'entre vous qui appartiennent à des organisations religieuses, je les prierai de ne pas réagir en défense à ce que je dis, mais d'essayer de découvrir si ce que je dis est vrai ou non. Si ce que je dis n'est pas vrai, vous avez raison d'avoir ces organisations. Mais, avant de dire que ces organisations religieuses sont nécessaires, il vous faut véritablement et impartialement les examiner. Comment les examinerez-vous? Pour examiner quoi que ce soit objectivement, votre esprit doit être complètement impersonnel. Ceci veut dire qu'il vous faut DOUTER DE TOUTES VOS CROYANCES, DE TOUS LES IDÉALS QUE VOUS AVEZ EUS JUSQU'ICI OU QUE CES ORGANISATIONS OFFRENT.

Cette mise en question fait surgir un conflit très net et ce n'est que lorsqu'existe un conflit que vous commencerez à comprendre la véritable signification des croyances organisées. Si vous ne faites que les examiner intellectuellement, vous ne comprendrez jamais leurs vraies significations. Voilà pourquoi la plupart des religions interdisent à leurs adeptes de douter. Le doute est devenu une entrave religieuse, un obstacle. VOUS AVEZ, GRÂCE À VOTRE PROPRE PEUR, DÉVELOPPÉ CERTAINES CROYANCES, DES IDÉALS, DES ILLUSIONS DONT VOUS ÊTES DEVENUS LES ESCLAVES ET CE N'EST QUE PAR VOTRE PROPRE SOUFFRANCE QUE VOUS POUVEZ COMPRENDRE LEUR VRAIE SIGNIFICATION.

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ACTION JUSTE
QU'EST-CE QUE L'ACTION JUSTE ?
―⁈ Q.: Il y a des personnes qui, d'une part, exploitent des milliers d'êtres humains et qui, d'autre part, donnent des millions de dollars à des institutions religieuses. Pourquoi? (Rires.)
☀ K.: Vous riez de cette question, mais vous êtes également impliqués en elle. Nous exploitons, nous amassons des richesses, et ensuite nous devenons des philanthropes.

Peut-être quelques-uns d'entre vous n'ont-ils pas cette habileté cruelle d'amasser des richesses, mais vous faites la même chose d'une autre façon en poursuivant la vertu. Donc qu'existe-t-il de cette charité du philanthrope et de cette fausse diligence d'accumuler des vertus? Le philanthrope à cause de sa peur, à cause de ses nombreuses réactions défensives, veut repayer un petit peu à la victime qu'il a exploitée. (Rires.) Et vous l'honorez, vous dites que c'est un homme merveilleux. Ce n'est pas de la charité, ce n'est que de l'égoïsme. Et pourquoi poursuivez-vous la vertu, pourquoi essayez-vous de l'emmagasiner. C'est une protection défensive. C'est une sauvegarde contre la souffrance. Votre vertu, si vous l'examinez réellement, est basée sur l'idée égoïste d'écarter la souffrance.

Cette auto-protection n'est pas de la vertu. En sachant ce que vous êtes, et non en vous évadant au moyen des soi-disant vertus, vous découvrirez la beauté, la richesse de la vie. Le philanthrope, à cause de son désir de sécurité, se retranche dans le pouvoir que lui donnent ses possessions et l'homme qui poursuit la vertu construit autour de lui des mesures de protection contre le mouvement de la vie. L'homme vertueux et le philanthrope sont pareils; ils ont tous deux, peur de la vie, ils ne sont pas amoureux de la vie. ☀

🕊️ 🙏 Sadhu ! Sadhu ! Sadhu ! 🙏 🕊️ Utilisé entre autres pour exprimer une joie partagée de dévotion, une approbation des valeurs morales et spirituelles. Aussi une expression d’accord et d’éloge, signifiant « excellent, bien, bon » – « Amen » ou « Alléluia »

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Public Talk Argentina Right Action ?

☀ National College, La Plata, 2 August 1935
―⁈ Q.: Many of us are conscious of and take part in this corrupt life around us. What can we do to free ourselves from its suffocating effects?

☀ K.: You can be intellectually aware, and so there will be no action; but if you are aware with your whole being, then there is action, which alone will free the mind from corruption. If you are merely aware intellectually, then you ask such a question as this. Then you say, "Tell me how to act", which means, "Give me a system, a method to follow, so that I can escape from that action which may necessitate suffering." Because of this demand, people have created exploiters throughout the world.

IF YOU ARE REALLY CONSCIOUS WITH YOUR WHOLE BEING THAT A PARTICULAR THING IS A HINDRANCE, A POISON, THEN YOU WILL BE COMPLETELY FREE FROM IT. If you are conscious of a snake in the room - and that consciousness is generally acute, for there is fear involved in it - you never ask another how to get rid of the snake. (Laughter)

In the same way, if you are completely, deeply aware, for example, of nationalism, or any other limitation, you will then not ask how to get rid of it; you discern for yourself its utter stupidity. If you are wholly conscious that the acceptance of authority in religion and politics is destructive of intelligence, then you, the individual, will disentangle the mind from all the stupidities and pageantry of religion & politics. (Applause) If you truly felt all this, then you would not merely applaud, but individually you would act.

The mind has imposed upon itself many hindrances, through its own desire for security. These hindrances are preventing intelligence and hence the complete fulfilment of man. Were I to offer a new system, it would merely be a substitution, which would not make you think anew, from the beginning. But IF YOU BECOME AWARE OF HOW THROUGH FEAR YOU ARE CREATING MANY LIMITATIONS, AND FREE YOURSELF FROM THEM, THEN THERE WILL BE FOR YOU THE LIFE OF RICH BEAUTY, THE LIFE OF ETERNAL BECOMING.

It is very good of you, sirs, to have invited me. and I thank you for listening to me. – 2 August 1935
―☀ Rosario & Mendoza Public Talks 27 & 28 July, 25 & 27 August, 1935―

⁈ Q.: Is it possible to live without some kind of prejudice? Are you yourself not prejudiced against religious & spiritual organizations?
☀ K.: I do not think I am prejudiced against religious or spiritual organizations. I have belonged to them, and I have seen their utter stupidity and their ways of exploitation. There is no illusion with regard to them, and so there is no prejudice.
Now that leads us to a further point, which is, Can man live without any illusion?
IN A WORLD WHERE THERE IS SO MUCH SUFFERING, SO MUCH MENTAL AND EMOTIONAL ANGUISH, WHERE THERE IS SUCH RUTHLESS CRUELTY AND EXPLOITATION, CAN ONE LIVE WITHOUT SOME MEANS OF ESCAPE FROM THIS HORROR?

Where there is a desire to escape, there must be the creation of illusion in which one takes shelter. If in your work, in your life, there is no fulfilment, then there must be an escape into some romantic idea or into an illusion. So where there is conflict between yourself and life, there must be prejudice and illusion which offer you an escape. It may be an escape through religion, through mere activity, or through sensation.

If you deeply understand the hindrances that cause conflict between yourself and life, and thus are free from them, then the mind does not need illusions. YOUR CONCERN IS WITH FINDING OUT FOR YOURSELF WHETHER YOU ARE ESCAPING FROM LIFE, not with judging me or another. ESCAPE DESTROYS THE INTELLIGENT FUNCTIONING OF THE MIND. ILLUSION, PREJUDICE, CEASES WHEN THROUGH CONFLICT THE MIND FREES ITSELF FROM ALL THE SUBTLE ESCAPES IT HAS ESTABLISHED IN SEARCH OF SELF-DEFENCE. ☀ Rosario and Mendoza Public Talks ☀

🕊️ 🙏 Sadhu ! Sadhu ! Sadhu ! 🙏 🕊️ Among others it is used to express shared joy, moral approval, and spiritual agreement. Also means « excellent, well done, or it is good.» - «Amen or Hallelujah»

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Causerie Qu'est-ce que L'action Juste ? ☀

―⁈ Q.: Nous sommes beaucoup d'entre nous, conscients de cette vie corrompue autour de nous, et nous y participons. Mais comment pouvons-nous nous libérer de ses effets asphyxiants?

☀ K.: Vous pouvez être conscients intellectuellement, et alors il n'y aura pas d'action, mais si vous êtes conscients avec tout votre être, il y aura une action qui libérera l'esprit de la corruption. Si vous n'êtes conscients qu'intellectuellement, vous posez des questions comme celle-là. Alors, vous dites: « Dites-moi, comment agir », ce qui veut dire: « Donnez-moi un système, une méthode à suivre, de façon que je puisse échapper à cette action qui pourrait causer de la souffrance. » A cause de cette demande, les gens ont créé des exploiteurs à travers le monde.

SI VOUS ÊTES VRAIMENT CONSCIENTS AVEC TOUT VOTRE ÊTRE QU'UNE CHOSE PARTICULIÈRE EST UNE ENTRAVE, UN POISON, VOUS VOUS EN LIBÉREREZ COMPLÈTEMENT. Si vous êtes conscients du fait qu'un serpent est dans une chambre - cette conscience est généralement aiguë, car elle implique la peur - vous ne demanderez jamais à quelqu'un d'autre comment vous débarrasser de ce serpent. (Rires.)

De la même façon, si vous êtes complètement et profondément conscients, par exemple du nationalisme ou de toute autre limitation, vous ne demanderez pas comment vous en débarrasser, vous percevrez vous-mêmes que c'est une stupidité complète. Si vous êtes complètement conscients que l'acceptation de l'autorité en religion et en politique détruit l'intelligence, vous vous débarrasserez l'esprit de toutes les stupidités et des mises en scène de la religion et de la politique. (Applaudissements.) Si vous sentiez vraiment tout cela, vous ne feriez pas qu'applaudir, mais individuellement vous agiriez.

L'esprit s'est imposé à lui-même de nombreuses entraves à cause de son désir de sécurité. Ces entraves empêchent le développement de l'intelligence, donc le complet épanouissement de l'homme. Si je disais: « je vais vous offrir un nouveau système », il ne serait qu'une substitution à des systèmes anciens et ne créerait rien de radicalement neuf. Mais SI VOUS DEVENEZ CONSCIENTS DE LA FAÇON DONT VOUS CRÉEZ DE NOMBREUSES LIMITATIONS PAR VOTRE PEUR, ET SI VOUS VOUS EN LIBÉREZ, IL Y AURA POUR VOUS UNE VIE DE RICHESSE ET DE BEAUTÉ ET UNE VIE D'ÉTERNEL DEVENIR.

Cela a été très aimable, Messieurs, de m'avoir invité et je vous remercie de m'avoir écouté.

―⁈ Q.: Est-il possible de vivre sans un préjugé quelconque? N'avez-vous pas vous-même un préjugé contre les organisations religieuses et spirituelles?
☀ K.: Je ne crois pas avoir de préjugés contre les organisations religieuses et spirituelles. J'ai appartenu à elles, et j'ai vu leur complète stupidité et leur façon d'exploiter. Je n'ai pas d'illusions en ce qui les concerne, donc pas de préjugés.

Ceci nous mène à un autre point qui est celui-ci: DANS UN MONDE OÙ IL Y A TANT DE SOUFFRANCE, UNE TELLE ANGOISSE MENTALE ET ÉMOTIONNELLE, OÙ IL Y A UNE TELLE CRUAUTÉ, ET UNE TELLE EXPLOITATION, COMMENT PEUT-ON VIVRE SANS UNE ÉVASION QUELCONQUE POUR ÉCHAPPER À CETTE HORREUR?

Où existe un désir de fuir, il doit y avoir la création de l'illusion dans laquelle on s'abrite. Si dans votre travail, si dans votre vie il n'y a pas d'épanouissement, il vous faut une évasion dans quelque idée romantique ou dans une illusion. Donc, là où existe un conflit entre la vie et vous-même, il doit y avoir des préjugés et des illusions qui vous offrent une évasion. Cela peut être une évasion au moyen de la religion, ou au moyen d'une simple activité ou d'une sensation.

Si vous comprenez profondément ces entraves qui causent un conflit entre vous-même et la vie, et si vous vous en libérez, alors l'esprit n'a pas besoin d'illusions. CE QUI DOIT VOUS INTÉRESSER, C'EST DE SAVOIR VOUS-MÊMES SI VOUS FUYEZ LA VIE, et non de porter des jugements sur moi ou sur quelqu'un d'autre. LA FUITE DÉTRUIT LE FONCTIONNEMENT INTELLIGENT DE L'ESPRIT. L'ILLUSION ET LE PRÉJUGÉ CESSENT LORSQUE PAR LE CONFLIT L'ESPRIT SE LIBÈRE DE TOUTES LES ÉVASIONS SUBTILES QU'IL A ÉTABLIES À LA RECHERCHE DE SA PROPRE DÉFENSE. ☀ Argentine, le 2 août 1935 ☀

🕊️ 🙏 Sadhu ! Sadhu ! Sadhu ! 🙏 🕊️ Utilisé entre autres pour exprimer une joie partagée de dévotion, une approbation des valeurs morales et spirituelles. Aussi une expression d’accord et d’éloge, signifiant « excellent, bien, bon » – « Amen » ou « Alléluia »

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[Etienne Arsenault @JETAR9]

@TheTwinPowers 👍😀Thank you my friend... its always
a pleasure to interact-exchange with you.
May you have a wonderful evening👍
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[Allan Beveridge @TheTwinPowers]

You're always welcome Etienne 👍😊 and merci for your very kind words 🙇

What you repeated is 🗝️
For pretty much my whole life, going back to early grade school, I've watched people struggle with the very notion of Doing v Being. They try to 'get their heads' around it but you can't think your way to Being. While I KNew back then that here was a huge difference between the two I certainly couldn't explain or understand why myself so I could never explain it to others.
I noticed it in school when they taught rational numbers and even about time - re: there's always a smaller number between any two numbers and another moment between every moment. This view eliminates the Now and, by extension, Being. I even got into arguments with my teachers and especially my father over it.
As I've mentioned before, I started to turn my attention onto myself in my late teens to deal with my anger but also to try to understand the very nature of what is referred to as phenomenal reality itself and what "am I". It's what helped me understand both the how and why of the difference as well as to realize that it's near impossible to reconcile spirituality and science if you cling firmly to the tenets of either.

I wrote what you repeated because I get the struggles many have trying to grasp let alone experience it by thinking ( i.e Doing) for one of the biggest is the mind gets attached to the thought form/view that just Being is impossible. It also essentially blocks them from even experiencing it.
At the same time, contemplating your DM along with our discussion the other day helped me more fully realize that how and why explanations can 'loosen' the block but too much can reinforce it. Merci for that my friend 😊🙏

I'll have a wonderful day and weekend and may you enjoy the same my friend 😊☀️🕊️

🙏 Metta 🙏

[Etienne Arsenault @JETAR9]

Buddha’s Teachings
The numerical Discourses of the Buddha
Elements to Reach New Heights
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Aṅguttara Nikāya
Discourses of the Buddha
An Anthology Part I
by Nyanaponika Thera & Bhikkhu Bodhi
The Chapter of the FOURS
―☀ HOW TO BE UNITED IN FUTURE LIVES ☀―
On one occasion the Blessed One was dwelling among the Bhagga people, near Suṃsumāragiri, in the Deer Park of the Bhesakalā Grove. One morning the Blessed One dressed, took his upper robe and bowl, and went to the dwelling of the householder Nakulapitā. Having arrived there, he sat down on the seat prepared for him. Then the householder Nakulapitā and the housewife Nakulamātā approached the Blessed One and, after paying homage to him, sat down to one side.

So seated, the householder Nakulapitā said to the Blessed One: “Lord, ever since the young housewife Nakulamātā was brought home to me when I too was still young, I am not aware of having wronged her even in my thoughts, still less in my deeds. Lord, our wish is to be in one another’s sight so long as this life lasts and in the future life as well.” Then Nakulamātā the housewife, addressed the Blessed One thus:

“Lord, ever since I was taken to the home of my young husband Nakulapitā, while being a young girl myself, I am not aware of having wronged him even in my thoughts, still less in my deeds. Lord, our wish is to be in one another’s sight so long as this life lasts and in the future life as well.” Then the Blessed One spoke thus: “If householders, both wife and husband wish to be in one another’s sight so long as this life lasts and in the future life as well, they should have the same faith, the same virtue, the same generosity, the same wisdom; then they will be in one another’s sight so long as this life lasts and in the future life as well.”

―☀ When both are faithful and bountiful,
Self-restrained, of righteous living,
They come together as husband and wife
Full of love for each other.
Many blessings come their way,
They dwell together in happiness,
Their enemies are left dejected,
When both are equal in virtue.
Having lived by Dhamma in this world,
The same in virtue and observance,
They rejoice after death in the deva-world,
Enjoying abundant happiness. ☀―

―☀ DISTORTIONS OF PERCEPTION ☀―
Monks, there are these four distortions of perception, four distortions of thought and four distortions of views.

« NOTE: Vipallāsa: distortion, or perversion, of reality. Distortion of perception (saññā-vipallāsa) is the most fundamental; distortion of thought (citta-vipallāsa) introduces a more reflective note to the distorted perception; and distortion of view (diṭṭhi-vipallāsa) transforms the thought into a definitive thesis. To give an analogy: A man spontaneously perceives a coiled up piece of rope in the dark as a snake (= distortion of perception); he assumes that what he has seen is a snake (= distortion of thought); he fashions the view that the coiled up object he saw in the dark was a snake (= distortion of view). »

What four? To hold that in the impermanent there is permanence: this is a distortion of perception, thought and views.

To hold that in suffering there is happiness: this is a distortion of perception, thought and views.
To hold that in what is non-self there is a self: this is a distortion of perception, thought and views.
To hold that in the foul there is beauty: this is a distortion of perception, thought and views.
These, monks, are the four distortions of perception, thought and views.

Monks, there are four non-distortions of perception, thought and views. What four?
To hold that in the impermanent there is impermanence … that in suffering there is suffering … that in what is non-self there is no self … that in the foul there is foulness—these are the four non-distortions of perception, thought and views.

Those who perceive the changeful to be permanent,
Suffering as bliss, a self in the selfless,
And who see in the foul the mark of beauty—
Such folk resort to distorted views,
Mentally deranged, subject to illusions.
Caught by Māra, not free from bonds,
They are still far from the secure state.
Such beings wander through the painful round
And go repeatedly from birth to death.

But when the Buddhas appear in the world,
The makers of light in a mass of darkness,
They reveal this Teaching, the noble Dhamma,
That leads to the end of suffering.
When people with wisdom listen to them,
They at last regain their sanity.
They see the impermanent as impermanent,
And they see suffering just as suffering.
They see the selfless as void of self,
And in the foul they see the foul.
By this acceptance of right view,
They overcome all suffering

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―☀ A SUPERIOR PERSON ☀―
Monks, one who has four qualities should be considered an inferior person. What are these four? Even unasked, an inferior person reveals the faults of others, how much more so when he is asked. When asked, however, and led on by questions, he speaks of others’ faults without omitting anything, without holding back, fully and in detail.

He should be considered an inferior person. Further: even when asked, an inferior person does not reveal what is praiseworthy in others, and still less so when not asked. When asked, however, and obliged to reply to questions, he speaks of what is praiseworthy in others with omissions and hesitatingly, incompletely and not in detail. He should be considered an inferior person. Further: an inferior person does not reveal his own faults even when asked, still less so when not asked. When asked, however, and obliged to reply to questions, he speaks of his own faults with omissions and hesitatingly, incompletely and not in detail.

He should be considered an inferior person. Further: an inferior person reveals his own praiseworthy qualities even unasked, how much more so when asked. When asked, however, and led on by questions, he speaks of his own praiseworthy qualities without omissions and without hesitation, fully and in detail. He should be considered an inferior person. One who has these four qualities should be considered an inferior person. Monks, one who has four qualities should be considered a superior person. What are these four? Even when asked, a superior person does not reveal the faults of others, and still less so when not asked. When asked, however, and led on by questions, he speaks of others’ faults with omissions and hesitatingly, incompletely and not in detail. He should be considered a superior person.

Further: even unasked, a superior person reveals what is praiseworthy in others, how much more so when he is asked. When asked, however, and obliged to reply to questions, he speaks of what is praiseworthy in others without omitting anything, without holding back, fully and in detail. He should be considered a superior person. Further: even unasked, a superior person reveals his own faults, how much more so when he is asked. When asked, however, and obliged to reply to questions, he speaks of his own faults without omitting anything, without holding back, fully and in detail. He should be considered a superior person. Further: even when asked, a superior person does not reveal his own praiseworthy qualities, still less so when not asked. When asked, however, and obliged to reply to questions, he speaks of his own praiseworthy qualities with omissions and hesitatingly, incompletely and not in detail.

He should be considered a superior person. One who has these four qualities should be considered a superior person.

―☀ FOUR OCCASIONS FOR DILIGENCE ☀―
To four matters, O monks, diligence should be applied. What four? You should give up bad conduct in deeds and cultivate good conduct in deeds. Do not be negligent in that. You should give up bad conduct in speech and cultivate good conduct in speech. Do not be negligent in that. You should give up bad conduct in thought and cultivate good conduct in thought. Do not be negligent in that. You should give up wrong view and cultivate right view. Do not be negligent in that. If a monk has given up bad conduct in deeds, speech and thought, and has cultivated good conduct in deeds, speech and thought; if he has given up wrong view and cultivated right view, he need not fear death in a future existence.

―☀ FOR ONE’S OWN SAKE ☀―
For one’s own sake, O monks, digilent mindfulness should be made the mind’s guard, and this for four reasons: “May my mind not harbour lust for anything inducing lust!”—for this reason diligent mindfulness should be made the mind’s guard, for one’s own sake. “May my mind not harbour hatred towards anything inducing hatred!”—for this reason diligent mindfulness should be made the mind’s guard, for one’s own sake. “May my mind not harbour delusion concerning anything inducing delusion!”—for this reason diligent mindfulness should be made the mind’s guard, for one’s own sake. “May my mind not be infatuated by anything inducing infatuation!”« infatuated pride, among them: the pride of birth, clan, beauty, success, fame, ability, skill, virtue, meditative attainments, etc. » —for this reason diligent mindfulness should be made the mind’s guard, for one’s own sake.

When, monks, a monk’s mind does not harbour lust for lust-inducing objects, because he is free from lust; when his mind does not harbour hatred towards hate-inducing objects, because he is free from hatred; when his mind does not harbour delusion concerning anything inducing delusion, because he is free from delusion; when his mind is not infatuated by anything inducing infatuation, because he is free from infatuation—then such a monk will not waver, shake or tremble, he will not succumb to fear, nor will he adopt the views of other ascetics « arahant ».
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―☀ FOUR WONDERFUL THINGS ☀―

―☀ The Chapter of the FOURS - FOUR WONDERFUL THINGS ☀―
Monks, on the manifestation of a Tathāgata,
an Arahant, a Fully Enlightened One,
four wonderful and marvellous things are manifested.
What four? People generally find pleasure in attachments, take delight in attachments and enjoy attachments. But when the Dhamma of non-attachment is taught by the Tathāgata, people wish to listen to it, give ear, and try to understand it. This is the first wonderful and marvellous thing that appears on the manifestation of a Tathāgata, an Arahant, a Fully Enlightened One. People generally find pleasure in conceit, take delight in conceit and enjoy conceit. But when the Dhamma is taught by the Tathāgata for the abolition of conceit, people wish to listen to it, give ear, and try to understand it. This is the second wonderful and marvellous thing that appears on the manifestation of a Tathāgata, an Arahant, a Fully Enlightened One.

People generally find pleasure in a life of excitement, take delight in excitement and enjoy excitement. But when the peaceful Dhamma is taught by the Tathāgata, people wish to listen to it, give ear, and try to understand it.

This is the third wonderful and marvellous thing that appears on the manifestation of a Tathāgata, an Arahant, a Fully Enlightened One. People generally live in ignorance, are blinded by ignorance, and fettered by ignorance. But when the Dhamma is taught by the Tathāgata for the abolition of ignorance, people wish to listen to it, give ear, and try to understand it. This is the fourth wonderful and marvellous thing that appears on the manifestation of a Tathāgata, an Arahant, a Fully Enlightened One. On the manifestation of a Tathāgata, an Arahant, a Fully Enlightened One, these four wonderful and marvellous things become manifest.

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In this excerpt Jiddu spoke about the influence of the non-conscious or subconscious aspect of our mind and the gap between thoughts. It can be challenging to grasp as there’s no reference in this section to why what he spoke of occurs. However, it is related to what he did speak of frequently, namely our ending the separation between the observer and the observed. Doing so is tied to the minds Perception Process.

Note: if you’ve not been following my posts on Jiddu’s talks and writings, you can find my high-level explanation of this process in the additional Reading section at the end of this post – https://t.co/vIbv6XIl1x

Jiddu shared his wisdom on this topic right at the start:
“INWARDLY, UNCONSCIOUSLY, THERE IS THE TREMENDOUS WEIGHT OF THE PAST PUSHING YOU IN A CERTAIN DIRECTION”

He was absolutely correct. While we typically don’t realize it, the vast majority of what our minds do occurs at the non-conscious level. It does so using thoughts that are part of the old, conditioned mind.

For instance, when we experience something that we like the thought “I like that…” is the result of the minds pre-processing of what we perceived. It uses thoughts that share attributes with what’s perceived to come to its perception(s) of it.
These thoughts are part of the old, conditioned mind – they are of the past. We may like what we perceived but unless we’ve a quite clear and trained mind and are also very attentive, we aren’t conscious of the thoughts our mind used to make that determination.

The next gem of wisdom is about trying to deal with thoughts in the non-conscious aspect of our mind by self analysis or other mental means:
“The analysts think that the unconscious can be partially or even completely cleansed through analysis—through investigation, exploration, confession, the interpretation of dreams, and so on—so that at least you become a “normal” human being, able to adjust yourself to the present environment. But in analysis there is always the analyzer and the analyzed, an observer who is interpreting the thing observed, which is a duality, a source of conflict.”

All means used by the mind to try to deal with or cleanse old unskillful thoughts are part of the old mind. Why is because the thought we seek to do this with are included in the analysis hence they remain. He then spoke to what we can realize when we no longer engage in analysis.
“BECAUSE THERE IS NO LONGER AN ANALYZER SEPARATED FROM THE THING THAT HE ANALYZES, HE IS THAT THING. HE IS NOT AN ENTITY APART FROM IT. THEN ONE FINDS THAT THE UNCONSCIOUS IS OF VERY LITTLE IMPORTANCE.”

We essentially ‘disconnect’ from the non-conscious mind (it can be referred to as the unconscious or subconscious mind) when we quiet our conscious mind and are fully attentive to all we perceive rather than aspects of it.
This happens because doing so suspends the perception process between the first and second steps. It does so because it prevents the activation of thoughts related to what’s perceived. The latter are thoughts that are part of the old, conditioned mind or the constructed “I” (thoughts associated with the egos we create for ourselves).

Using Jiddu’s words, when we do this we…
“CLEAR AWAY THE BURDEN OF THE UNCONSCIOUS, I AM OUT OF ANALYSIS.”

Analysis always leads to conflict and division that inevitably suffering.

In the second section Jiddu mentioned something to be mindful of, namely that we should not simply accept what he says solely on his authority, which also applies to what I've said. What is being spoke of must be experienced otherwise…
“If you accept it on authority, you will never discover, it will be another substitution and that will have no significance...”

After the above quote he got into another important notion, that of the gap between thoughts. This gap occurs, as I commented on above, when we suspend the Perception Process. We become aware of and realize this pause by what Jiddu referred to as true meditation, which ends the separation between the observer and the observed.

Technically speaking, this topic is very deep, but I’m not going to do so here because analysis or evaluations etc. are not required to fully realize, understand and experience what Jiddu spoke of. In fact, it could very well impede it. I only mentioned what I have to render possible that which can seem to be impossible to those who know mostly of Doing but little of just Being.

When we end the separation as he suggested we realize that:
“BETWEEN TWO THOUGHTS THERE IS A PERIOD OF SILENCE WHICH IS NOT RELATED TO THE THOUGHT PROCESS”

This pause in the perception process, as I mentioned previously (re: the Additional Readings), is the ‘gap’ between step one and step two of the perception process - the gap between perceiving something and the mind reacting to what was perceived. When we do what Jiddu spoke of in many of these excerpts we end the separation between the observer and the observed.
This is how we experience the present moment and all it entails as it is without our minds getting in the way…
“…IS NOT OF TIME AND THE DISCOVERY OF THAT INTERVAL, THE FULL EXPERIENCING OF THAT INTERVAL, LIBERATES YOU FROM CONDITIONING—OR RATHER IT DOES NOT LIBERATE “YOU” BUT THERE IS LIBERATION FROM CONDITIONING”

When we end the separation, we are not inducing a ‘new state of mind’ hence we are not causing the pause – the silence – that frees us from the conflicts and division of the old mind. He made this clear at the end with:
“It is only when the mind is not giving continuity to thought, when it is still with a stillness that is not induced, that is without any causation—it is only then that there can be freedom from the background.”

To realize and fully experience what Jiddu spoke of read, contemplate and meditate on this and all the excerpts of his writings talks Etienne’s kindly sharing with us as often as it takes. If we would experience it, we must not do so casually.

We need to be serious and persistent and do so with as quiet a mind and being as fully attentive as possible for this is the path to it.

Remember, time is not an issue. All we need do is take one 👣 than another 👣 and keep going…

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[Etienne Arsenault @JETAR9]

672- 🙏 ENG | Jiddu Krishnamurti
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Public Talk 4th Right Action Dialogue
☀ Buenos Aires, 22nd July, 1935

―⁈ Q.: We are happy with our beliefs and traditions based on the doctrines of Jesus; whereas in your country, India, there are millions who are far from being happy. All that you are telling us, the Christ taught two thousand years ago. What is the use of your preaching to us instead of to your own countrymen?
☀ K.: …the questioner has divided the world into Christian and Hindu, into India and Argentina, he has helped to create misery and suffering in the world. (Applause) When I talk in India about nationalism, they say to me, "Go to England and tell the people there that nationalism is stupid, because England is preventing us from living." (Laughter) And when I come here, you tell me, "Go somewhere else and leave us with our own belief and religion. Do not disturb us." (Laughter)

If our own beliefs and traditions satisfy you, then you will not listen to what I say because your traditions and your beliefs are shelters under which you take cover in time of trouble. You don't want to face life, therefore you say, "I am satisfied; don't disturb me." IF YOU WOULD REALLY UNDERSTAND TRUTH, IF YOU WOULD KNOW LOVE, YOU MUST BE FREE FROM BELIEFS AND ORGANIZED RELIGIONS. There can not be "our religion" and " the religion of another", your beliefs and doctrines as against another's. The world will be happy when there need be no preacher, when each individual is really fulfilling; and as he is not, I feel I can help him in his fulfilment.

If you feel that I am disturbing, creating sorrow, then you will naturally remain in the religion to which you belong, with its exploitations and illusions; but life will not leave you alone. In that lies the beauty of life. HOWEVER MUCH YOU HAVE PROTECTED AND ENCLOSED YOURSELF WITHIN CERTAINTIES, SECURITIES AND BELIEFS, THE WAVE OF LIFE BREAKS DOWN ALL YOUR STRUCTURE. BUT THE MAN WHO HAS NO SUPPORT, NO SECURITY, SHALL KNOW THE BLISS OF LIFE.

―⁈ Q.: What is that memory, created by incomplete action in the present, from which you say we must liberate ourselves?
☀ K.: In the brief introduction to this talk, I tried to explain how memories as self-defences are crippling our thought and action. Let me take an example.
If you have been brought up as a Christian, with certain beliefs, you approach life, experience, with that limited mentality. Naturally those prejudices and limitations prevent you from understanding experience fully. So there is incompleteness in your thought and action. Now this barrier which creates incompleteness is what I call memory. These memories act as a self-defensive warning, as a guide against life to help you avoid suffering.

SO MOST OF OUR MEMORIES ARE SELF PROTECTIVE REACTIONS AGAINST INTELLIGENCE, AGAINST LIFE. WHEN A MIND IS FREE FROM ALL THESE SELF-PROTECTIVE REACTIONS, MEMORIES, THEN THERE IS THE FULL MOVEMENT OF LIFE, OF REALITY. Or take another example: suppose you have been brought up in a certain social class, with all its snobbishness, restrictions and traditions. With that hindrance, with that burden, you cannot understand or live the fullness of life. So these self-protective memories are the real cause of suffering; and if you would be free from suffering, there cannot be these self-protective values by which you seek to guide yourself.

If you will think over this, if your mind is aware of its own creations, then you will discern how you have established for yourself guides, values, which are but memories, as a protection against the incessant movement of life. A MAN THAT IS ENSLAVED TO SELF-PROTECTIVE MEMORIES CANNOT UNDERSTAND LIFE, NOR BE IN LOVE WITH LIFE. His action towards life is the action of self-defence. His mind is so enclosed that the swift movements of life cannot enter it. He searches out eternity, immortality, away from life, the eternal, the immortal, and so he lives in a continual series of illusions.

TO SUCH A MAN, WHOSE CONSCIOUSNESS IS BOUND BY MEMORIES, THERE CAN NEVER BE THE ETERNAL BECOMING OF LIFE. ☀ Buenos Aires 22 July 1935 ☀

🕊️ 🙏 Sadhu ! Sadhu ! Sadhu ! 🙏 🕊️ Among others it is used to express shared joy, moral approval, and spiritual agreement. Also means « excellent, well done, or it is good.» - «Amen or Hallelujah»

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Méditation Causerie (1933-1968)
Qu'est-ce que L'action Juste ? Dialogue
☀ « Question & Réponse ! » ☀

―⁈ Q.: Vous sommes heureux avec nos croyances et nos traditions basées sur la doctrine de Jésus, tandis que dans votre pays il y a des millions d'êtres qui sont loin d'être heureux. Tout ce que vous nous dites là, le Christ l'a dit, il y a environ 2.000 ans. À quoi cela sert-il de prêcher parmi nous au lieu de prêcher parmi vos compatriotes?
☀ K.: La pensée n'appartient à aucune nation ni à aucune race. (Applaudissements.) La réalité n'est pas conditionnée par des distinctions religieuses ou raciales. Et parce que la personne qui pose cette question a divisé le monde en Chrétiens et en Indous, en Indes et en Argentine, elle a aidé à créer la misère et la souffrance dans le monde. (Applaudissements.)

Lorsque aux Indes je parle de nationalisme, ils me disent: « Allez en Angleterre « et dites à ce peuple que le nationalisme est stupide « parce que l'Angleterre nous empêche de vivre. » (Rires.) Lorsque je viens ici, vous me dites: « Allez ailleurs et « laissez-nous avec nos croyances et notre religion. Ne « nous dérangez pas. » (Rires.)

Si vos croyances et vos traditions vous satisfont, vous n'écouterez pas ce que je dis, parce que vos traditions et vos croyances sont des abris sous lesquels vous vous abritez dans des moments difficiles. Vous ne voulez pas affronter la vie, c'est pourquoi vous dites: « Je suis satisfait, ne me dérangez pas. » SI VOUS VOULIEZ VRAIMENT COMBATTRE LA VÉRITÉ, SI VOUS VOULIEZ COMPRENDRE L'AMOUR, IL VOUS FAUDRAIT ÊTRE LIBRE DES CROYANCES ET DES RELIGIONS ORGANISÉES. Il ne peut pas y avoir « votre religion » et « la religion d'un autre », vos croyances et doctrines et celles d'un autre. Le monde sera heureux lorsqu'il n'y aura pas de prédicateur, lorsque chaque individu sera vraiment en train de s'accomplir, et comme il ne l'est pas, j'ai le sentiment que je peux l'aider dans cet accomplissement.

Si vous croyez que je dérange, que je crée de la douleur, alors vous resterez naturellement dans la religion à laquelle vous appartenez, avec ses exploitations et ses illusions. Mais, la vie ne vous laissera pas tranquille. En cela réside la beauté de la vie. QUELLES QUE SOIENT LES PROTECTIONS ET LES BARRIÈRES DE CERTITUDES, DE SÉCURITÉS ET DE CROYANCES DERRIÈRE LESQUELLES VOUS VOUS ABRITEZ, LA VAGUE DE LA VIE DÉTRUIT TOUTES LES STRUCTURES. MAIS L'HOMME QUI N'A PAS D'APPUI, QUI N'A PAS DE SÉCURITÉ, CONNAÎTRA LA BÉATITUDE DE LA VIE.

―⁈ Q.: Quelle est cette mémoire créée par l'action incomplète dans le présent dont vous dites que nous devons nous libérer?
☀ K.: Dans la brève introduction de cette Causerie, j'ai essayé d'expliquer comment les mémoires en tant qu'auto-défenses sont en train de mutiler notre pensée et notre action. Laissez-moi vous en donner un exemple.

Vous avez été élevés en chrétien avec certaines croyances et vous abordez la vie, l'expérience, avec cette mentalité limitée. Naturellement, ces préjugés et ces limitations vous empêchent de comprendre l'expérience pleinement. Ainsi, il y a inachèvement dans votre pensée et votre action. Ce sont ces barrières qui créent l'inachèvement que j'appelle la mémoire. Ces mémoires agissent comme des signaux d'avertissement, comme des guides contre la vie afin de vous aider à éviter la souffrance.

Donc LA PLUPART DE VOS MÉMOIRES SONT DES RÉACTIONS AUTOPROTECTRICES CONTRE L'INTELLIGENCE, CONTRE LA VIE. LORSQU'UN ESPRIT EST LIBRE DE CES RÉACTIONS AUTOPROTECTRICES, DE CES MÉMOIRES, ALORS IL Y A LE PLEIN MOUVEMENT DE LA VIE QUI EST LA RÉALITÉ.

Prenez encore un autre exemple: Supposez que vous ayez été élevé dans une certaine classe sociale, avec son snobisme, ses restrictions, ses traditions. Avec ce fardeau vous ne pouvez pas comprendre, ni vivre la plénitude de la vie. Donc ces mémoires autoprotectrices sont la cause réelle de la souffrance et si vous voulez être libre de la souffrance, ces valeurs autoprotectrices par lesquelles vous cherchez à vous guider, ne peuvent pas exister.

Si vous voulez penser à cela, si votre esprit est conscient de ses propres réactions, vous discernerez comment vous avez établi pour vous-mêmes des guides et des valeurs qui ne sont que des mémoires comme protection contre le mouvement incessant de la vie.

UN HOMME QUI EST ESCLAVE DE SES MÉMOIRES AUTOPROTECTRICES NE PEUT PAS COMPRENDRE LA VIE, IL NE PEUT EN ÊTRE AMOUREUX. Son action envers la vie est l'action de l'auto-défense. Son esprit est si enfermé que les mouvements rapides de la vie ne peuvent pas entrer en lui. Il cherche l'éternité, l'immortalité en dehors de la vie, en dehors de l'éternel et de l'immortel et ainsi il vit dans une continuelle série d'illusions. POUR UN TEL HOMME DONT LA CONSCIENCE EST LIMITÉE PAR DES MÉMOIRES, IL NE PEUT PAS Y AVOIR L'ÉTERNEL DEVENIR DE LA VIE. ☀ Buenos Aires, le 22 juillet 1935 ☀

🕊️ 🙏 Sadhu ! Sadhu ! Sadhu ! 🙏 🕊️ Utilisé entre autres pour exprimer une joie partagée de dévotion, une approbation des valeurs morales et spirituelles. Aussi une expression d’accord et d’éloge, signifiant « excellent, bien, bon » – « Amen » ou « Alléluia »

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This excerpt continues the theme of previous ones, namely the exploration of conditioned thoughts and the consequences of them. It’s important to note that all language constructs, including labels for things, are conditioned and being subjective, ego-based ones lead to conflict and suffering. They are our thoughts of and about things, ones we tend to become very attached to.

For example, a chair is just a chair. However, when we experience chairs, our minds reacts with thoughts about them. We come to like or dislike various types of chairs and/or their attributes. These thoughts become our memories of them and are of the past. We have such perceptions/thoughts about everything we experience be it things external to us or our own emotions and even our thoughts themselves be they labels, beliefs, or other memories of our reactions to experiences with them.

Jiddu rightly refers to this collection of thoughts as the old <<conditioned>> mind. While Buddha didn’t use the term the old mind his Doctrine of Dependent Origination speaks to the same challenge in that living a conditional existence leads to suffering. It happens due to our cravings and aversions to which we become attached.
“Surely any form of accumulation, either of knowledge or experience, any form of ideal, any projection of the mind, any determined practice to shape the mind—what it should be and should not be—all this is obviously crippling the process of investigation and discovery.”

Jiddu spoke about how using the old mind isn’t going to solve our problems because we can’t come to true understanding using the very mind that led to them. So, he suggested that we must shift our attention from using the old mind to find out if…
“…the mind—the conscious as well as the deep unconscious mind in which is stored all the tradition, the memories, the inheritance of racial knowledge— whether all of it can be put aside.”

He was right to say it is possible, but we need to find out for ourselves:
"...IF THE MIND IS CAPABLE OF BEING AWARE WITHOUT ANY SENSE OF DEMAND, WITHOUT ANY PRESSURE—JUST TO BE AWARE.”

This is where why his notion about ending the separation between the observer and the observer is 🗝️ Without doing this we will continue to struggle because:
“…we are caught in the immediate problem and in its immediate solution, and so our lives are very superficial. Though one may go to all the analysts, read all the books, acquire much knowledge, attend churches, pray, mediate, practice various disciplines, nevertheless, our lives are obviously very superficial because we do not know how to penetrate deeply.”

When one first starts to try to do this it is very difficult: “You will see, if you will experiment, how extraordinarily difficult it is, because our whole training is to condemn, to approve, to compare.”

Some try to solve this problem based on the belief that what they refer to by such terms as their higher self, soul, the Watcher, and so on is not so conditioned. However, the very instant we have thoughts about whatever IT is these are conditioned and offer no escape:
“You may say is a part of you—the watcher, the super-soul, the Atma—which is not conditioned; but because you think about it, it is within the field of thought, therefore it is conditioned. You can invent lots of theories about it, but the fact is that your mind is conditioned right through, the conscious as well as the unconscious, and any effort it makes to free itself is also conditioned."

One can be aware they have a permanent aspect without thinking about it in any way or projecting any notions onto it that are mundane or subjective. Besides, IT’s ineffable anyway so any thoughts one may have about it will be unskillful and limiting. Even if one has experienced aspects of IT, no words about or thinking of it will suffice for to do so is akin to trying to describe the colour red to someone who’s blind.

In the rest of the second section, Jiddu rightly speaks to another challenge – the superficial thought that has us saying “I know I am conditioned” are also insufficient.
“Now, when you say, “I know I am conditioned,” do you really know it, or is that merely a verbal statement? Do you know it with the same potency with which you see a cobra? When you see a snake and know it to be a cobra, there is immediate, unpremeditated action; and when you say, “I know I am conditioned,” has it the same vital significance as your perception of the cobra? Or is it merely a superficial acknowledgment of the fact, and not the realization of the fact?”

Our conditioning goes deep, well beyond what most realize. He stated this clearly in this excerpt before the above quote with…
“Your mind is conditioned right through; there is no part of you which is unconditioned. That is a fact, whether you like it or not.”

This fact is why he kept coming back to ending the separation between the observer, us, and the observed, which is everything we perceive including our own bodies, emotions and thoughts no matter how deeply buried in our non-conscious or subconscious mind our thoughts may be.

We do this by quieting our mind and being fully attentive to all we perceive as it is. Doing so interrupts the mind’s perception process between the first step, which is perceiving something as it is, and the second step which is where our mind reacts and instead we perceive it as we are. It’s the second step that leads to separation (a high-level explanation of the Perception Process can be found in the Additional Reading section at the end of this post -

Jiddu taught, and explained throughout these excerpts, that realizing the observer is the observed—and eliminating the gap or division between them—is the foundation of what he refers to as “true meditation”. It is also the way to ending our suffering and Awakening/reaching Enlightenment.

While our minds tend to be quite messy and being fully clear of the distractions that arise from having an old, conditioned mind is exceedingly difficult it is attainable.

If you would attain it read, contemplate and meditate on this and all the excerpts of Jiddu’s talks and writings Etienne is sharing with us as often as it takes.

What is required is that we be serious and persistent in doing so and that we do it with as quiet a mind and by being as fully attentive as possible.

We don’t focus on eventually getting there for as Etienne has advised us – time is NOT an issue. Instead, we just do as I mentioned and take one 👣 then another 👣 and keep going…

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4th Public Talk Right Action ?
☀ Buenos Aires, 22nd July, 1935

Friends, I have not come to Argentina to convert you to any particular creed or to urge you to join any particular society: but in understanding, through action, what I am going to say, you will realize that happiness which is born of intelligence, of fulfilment. IF EACH ONE OF YOU CAN LIVE SUPREMELY, IN DEEP FULFILMENT, THEN THE WORLD AS A WHOLE WILL BE THE RICHER, THE HAPPIER; BUT THE DIFFICULTY IS TO LIVE PROFOUNDLY. TO LIVE PROFOUNDLY, YOU HAVE TO DISCOVER FOR YOURSELF YOUR OWN UNIQUENESS, FOR IN THAT ALONE IS THERE FULFILMENT. IT IS ONLY THROUGH OUR TRUE FULFILMENT THAT WE SHALL SOLVE THE INNUMERABLE SOCIAL AND ECONOMIC PROBLEMS. To rely on environment or on a religion to guide us is to create a dangerous hindrance to fulfilment.

During this brief talk before answering the questions, I want to speak of individuality and true fulfilment, and see whether existing social, moral and religious conditions are a true help or a dangerous impediment. Before examining whether the conditions are dangerous or beneficial, we must understand what is individuality, what is the uniqueness of the individual, and in what manner he can fulfil.

Now I am going to put very succinctly what to me is individuality. I am not going to use psychological phrases or a complicated jargon. I shall use ordinary words with their ordinary meaning.

INDIVIDUALITY IS THE ACCUMULATED AND CONDITIONED MEMORIES OF BOTH THE PAST AND THE PRESENT. That is, each individual is nothing but a series of conditioned memories, which impede complete and intelligent adjustment to the living, moving present. THESE MEMORIES GIVE TO EACH ONE THE QUALITY OF SEPARATENESS, AND THIS IS WHAT YOU CALL THE UNIQUENESS OF INDIVIDUALITY.

Now, what are these memories based on, what are the conditioning causes that limit consciousness? If you examine you will see that these memories spring from defensive reactions against life, against suffering, against pain. Having cultivated these self-protective reactions, and calling them by high and pleasant-sounding names such as morality, virtues, ideals, the mind lives within this enclosure of safety, within this limited consciousness of self-created security. These memories, through the impact of experience, increase in their strength and resistance and thus create division from the living reality, till there is utter incompleteness; this causes fear with its many illusions, the fear of death and of the hereafter.

TO PUT IT DIFFERENTLY, EACH ONE HAS THE DESIRE TO BE CERTAIN, SECURE, AND WITH THAT DESIRE APPROACHES LIFE, WITH THAT INTENTION SEEKS EXPERIENCE. THUS ONE DOES NOT UNDERSTAND EXPERIENCE, LIFE ITSELF, COMPLETELY. Whatever action is born of the desire for security must create incompleteness. Being incomplete, one is always guided by memories, which again further increase the emptiness, the isolation of our being.

So this continued action of incompleteness prevents fulfilment, which is the full expression of life without the hindrance of conditioned memories, egotism. That is, when you approach life with all the memories; based on security and the desire for safety, then whatever action proceeds from that must create an emptiness, an incompleteness; so there is no fulfilment, no comprehension. The significance of individuality is that the mind, through itself alone, through its own conditioned separateness, through deep comprehension of its own self-created limitation, must dissolve the impediments and barriers which create limited consciousness.

Please. you will have to think over this very deeply and not merely accept or reject it. THE MIND, BEING CONDITIONED BY MEMORY BASED ON SECURITY, BY SO-CALLED VIRTUES, SELF-PROTECTIVE MORALITIES, IS IMPEDED IN ITS FULFILMENT. HAVING UNDERSTOOD THIS, WE CAN FIND OUT WHETHER SOCIETY, MORALITY, RELIGION, HELP THE INDIVIDUAL TO LIBERATE HIMSELF AND WHOLLY FULFIL.

🕊️ 🙏 Sadhu ! Sadhu ! Sadhu ! 🙏 🕊️ Among others it is used to express shared joy, moral approval, and spiritual agreement. Also means « excellent, well done, or it is good.» - «Amen or Hallelujah»

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4ème Causerie - Qu'est-ce que L'action Juste ?
☀ Buenos Aires, Argentine 22 juillet 1935

Amis… Je ne suis pas venu en Argentine pour vous convertir à, une croyance particulière ni pour vous pousser à adhérer à une société particulière. Mais si, en agissant, vous comprenez ce que je vais vous dire, vous réaliserez ce bonheur qui est engendré par l'intelligence, par l'accomplissement. SI CHACUN DE VOUS POUVAIT VIVRE SUPRÊMEMENT, EN PROFOND ÉPANOUISSEMENT, LE MONDE DANS SA TOTALITÉ SERAIT PLUS RICHE, PLUS HEUREUX. MAIS LA DIFFICULTÉ EST DE VIVRE PROFONDÉMENT. IL VOUS FAUT DÉCOUVRIR PAR VOUS-MÊMES VOTRE PROPRE UNITÉ, CAR EN CELA SEULEMENT EST L'ACCOMPLISSEMENT.

CE N'EST QU'À TRAVERS NOTRE PROPRE ACCOMPLISSEMENT QUE NOUS RÉSOUDRONS LES INNOMBRABLES PROBLÈMES SOCIAUX ET ÉCONOMIQUES. Compter sur le milieu ou sur une religion pour nous guider, c'est créer une entrave dangereuse à notre réalisation.
Pendant ces brèves Causeries et avant de répondre aux questions qui m'ont été posées, je voudrais vous parler de l'individualité et du véritable accomplissement et examiner si les conditions sociales, morales et religieuses qui existent sont vraiment une aide, ou une entrave dangereuse à cet accomplissement.

Avant d'examiner si ces conditions sont dangereuses ou bonnes, nous devons comprendre ce qu'est l'individualité, ce qu'est l'unité de l'individu et de quelle manière il peut s'accomplir. Je vais vous dire succinctement ce qu'est pour moi l'individualité.

Je n'emploierai pas de phrases psychologiques, ni un jargon compliqué, j'emploierai des mots ordinaires avec leur sens ordinaire. L'INDIVIDUALITÉ SE COMPOSE DE MÉMOIRES ACCUMULÉES ET CONDITIONNÉES, MÉMOIRES APPARTENANT À LA FOIS AU PASSÉ ET AU PRÉSENT.

Je veux dire que chaque individu n'est pas autre chose qu'une série de mémoires conditionnées qui empêchent l'ajustement complet et intelligent au présent mouvant et vivant. CES MÉMOIRES CONFÈRENT À CHACUN LA QUALITÉ DE L'ÊTRE SÉPARÉ ET C'EST CELA QUE VOUS APPELEZ L'UNICITÉ DE L'INDIVIDUALITÉ.

Mais sur quoi ces mémoires sont-elles basées et quelles sont les causes qui conditionnent et limitent la conscience? Si vous les examinez, vous verrez que ces mémoires sont engendrées par les réactions défensives contre la vie, contre la souffrance, contre la douleur. Ayant cultivé ces réactions autoprotectrices et les ayant appelées de noms retentissants, tels que morale, vertus, idéals, l'esprit vit à l'intérieur de ces frontières de sécurité, à l'intérieur de cette conscience limitée et engendrée par lui. Ces mémoires à travers le contact de l'expérience augmentent leurs forces de résistance et créent ainsi une division entre l'individu et la réalité vivante, jusqu'à ce que l'individu soit totalement incomplet. Ceci engendre la peur avec ses nombreuses illusions, la peur de la mort et de l'au-delà.

POUR DIRE LA CHOSE DIFFÉREMMENT, CHACUN DE NOUS A UN DÉSIR DE CERTITUDE ET DE SÉCURITÉ, AVEC CE DÉSIR IL ABORDE LA VIE ET AVEC CETTE INTENTION IL RECHERCHE DE L'EXPÉRIENCE. AINSI NOUS NE COMPRENONS PAS L'EXPÉRIENCE, LA VIE ELLE-MÊME, COMPLÈTEMENT. Toutes les actions engendrées par ce désir de sécurité doivent créer un état incomplet.

Étant incomplets, nous sommes toujours guidés par notre mémoire qui augmente encore notre vide et l'isolement de notre être. Ainsi cette continuelle action de l'inachèvement nous empêche de nous épanouir, cet épanouissement étant la pleine expression de la vie sans entraves et sans mémoires égoïstes qui conditionnent. Lorsque vous approchez la vie avec toutes ces mémoires basées sur la sécurité et sur le désir de certitude, quelle que soit l'action qui en résulte, elle doit engendrer un vide, une insuffisance, et alors il n'y a ni accomplissement, ni compréhension.

La signification de l'individualité est que l'esprit, à travers lui-même, à travers sa propre séparation conditionnée, à travers la profonde compréhension des limitations qu'il a engendrées lui-même, doit dissoudre les obstructions et les barrières qui créent la conscience limitée. Il vous faudra, je vous prie, penser profondément à cela et ne pas simplement l'accepter ou le rejeter.

L'ESPRIT ÉTANT CONDITIONNÉ PAR LA MÉMOIRE BASÉE SUR LA SÉCURITÉ, SUR LES SOI-DISANT VERTUS, SUR LES MORALITÉS AUTOPROTECTRICES, EST ENTRAVÉ DANS SON ÉPANOUISSEMENT. AYANT COMPRIS CELA, NOUS POUVONS CHERCHER À COMPRENDRE SI LA SOCIÉTÉ, LA MORALE, LA RELIGION AIDENT L'INDIVIDU À SE LIBÉRER LUI-MÊME ET À S'ACCOMPLIR PLEINEMENT. ☀ Suite à venir ☀ SOYEZ ATTENTIF ☀

🕊️ 🙏 Sadhu ! Sadhu ! Sadhu ! 🙏 🕊️ Utilisé entre autres pour exprimer une joie partagée de dévotion, une approbation des valeurs morales et spirituelles. Aussi une expression d’accord et d’éloge, signifiant « excellent, bien, bon » – « Amen » ou « Alléluia »

J.K. Krishnamurti
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[Etienne Arsenault @JETAR9]

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8e Public Talk ☀ The Network of Thought - Amsterdam 1981 ☀

19 Septembre 1981 ☀ THE NATURE OF FEAR ☀
We should consider in our examination the nature of fear because we are all caught in this terrible thing called fear. We do not seem to be able to resolve it. We live with it, become accustomed to it, or escape from it through amusement, through worship, through various forms of entertainment, religious and otherwise. Fear is common to all of us, whether we live in this tidy, clean country, or in India where it is untidy, dirty and overpopulated. It is the same problem, fear, which man has lived with for thousands and thousands of years and which he has not been able to resolve.

IS IT POSSIBLE - ONE IS ASKING THIS QUESTION MOST SERIOUSLY - IS IT AT ALL POSSIBLE TO BE TOTALLY, COMPLETELY, FREE OF FEAR, NOT ONLY THE PHYSICAL FORMS OF FEAR BUT THE MUCH MORE SUBTLE FORMS OF INWARD FEAR - CONSCIOUS FEARS AND THE DEEP UNDISCOVERED FEARS WHICH WE HAVE NEVER EVEN KNOWN WERE THERE? EXAMINATION OF THESE FEARS DOES NOT MEAN ANALYSIS. It is the fashion to turn to the analyst if you have any problem. But the analyst is like you and me, only he has a certain technique. Analysis implies there is an analyser. Is the analyser different from that which he analyses? Or is the analyser the analysed? The analyser is the analysed.

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ANALYSIS IMPLIES THERE IS AN ANALYSER. IS THE ANALYSER DIFFERENT FROM THAT WHICH HE ANALYSES? OR IS THE ANALYSER THE ANALYSED? The analyser is the analysed. (bis)

☀ THE ANALYSER IS THE ANALYSED. ☀ That is an obvious fact. If I am analysing myself, who is the analyser in me who says, 'I must analyse'? It is still the analyser separating himself from the analysed and then examining that which is to be analysed. So the analyser is that which he is analysing. They are the same. To separate them is a trick played by thought.
But when we observe, there is no analysis; there is merely the observing of things as they are - the observing of that which actually is, not analysing that which is, because in the process of analysing we can deceive ourselves. If you like to play that game you can, and go on endlessly until you die, analysing, and never bringing about a radical transformation within yourself. Whereas to look at the present as it is - not as a Dutchman, an Englishman, or a Frenchman or as this or that - to see what is actually happening, is pure observation of things as they are.

To observe what fear is, is not to examine the cause of fear, which implies analysis and going further and further back into the origin of fear. It is to learn the art of observing and not translating or interpreting what you observe, but just observing, as you would observe a lovely flower. The moment you take it to pieces the flower is not. That is what analysis does. But observe the beauty of a flower, or the evening light in a cloud, or a tree by itself in a forest, just observe. So similarly, we can observe fear and what is the root of fear - not the various aspects of fear.

We are asking if it is at all possible to be free of fear, absolutely. Psychologically, inwardly, what is the root of fear? What does fear mean? Does not fear arise from something that has given you pain in the past which might happen again in the future? Not what might happen now because now there is no fear. You can see for yourself that fear is a time process. Something that happened last week, an incident which brought psychological or physical pain, and from that there is fear that it might happen again tomorrow. ☀

🕊️ 🙏 Sadhu ! Sadhu ! Sadhu ! 🙏 🕊️ Among others it is used to express shared joy, moral approval, and spiritual agreement. Also means « excellent, well done, or it is good.» - «Amen or Hallelujah»

J.K. Krishnamurti
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❖|Méditation Public Talk 8e Causerie ☀ Le Réseau de la Pensée / The Network of Thought

- Amsterdam 1981 ☀ MEDITATION
☀Question ☀ 19 Septembre 1981
☀ La Nature de la Peur / The Nature of Fear ☀

Dans notre examen, nous devrions considérer la nature de la peur parce que nous sommes tous prisonniers de cette chose terrible appelée “peur”. Nous ne semblons pas être capables de la résoudre. Nous vivons avec elle, nous nous y accoutumons ou y échappons grâce aux divertissements, au culte, à diverses formes de distractions, religieuses ou autres. La peur nous est commune à tous, que nous vivions dans ce pays propre et ordonné, ou en Inde où c’est le désordre, la saleté et la surpopulation. C’est le même problème, la peur, avec laquelle l’homme vit depuis des milliers et des milliers d’années et qu’il n’a pas été capable de résoudre.

EST-IL POSSIBLE - ON SE POSE CETTE QUESTION AVEC LE PLUS GRAND SÉRIEUX - EST-IL VRAIMENT POSSIBLE D’ÊTRE TOTALEMENT, COMPLÈTEMENT LIBRE DE LA PEUR, NON SEULEMENT DES FORMES PHYSIQUES DE LA PEUR MAIS DE CELLES BIEN PLUS SUBTILES DE LA PEUR INTÉRIEURE - LES PEURS CONSCIENTES ET LES PEURS PROFONDES ET CACHÉES DONT NOUS N’AVONS JAMAIS MÊME SOUPÇONNÉ LA PRÉSENCE ? L’EXAMEN DE CES PEURS NE SIGNIFIE PAS L’ANALYSE. C’est à la mode de s’adresser au psychanalyste si vous avez le moindre problème. Mais le psychanalyste est comme vous et moi, si ce n’est qu’il possède une certaine technique. L’analyse implique qu’il y a un analyste. L’analyste est-il différent de ce qu’il analyse ? Ou l’analyste est-il l’analysé ? L’analyste est l’analysé.
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L’ANALYSE IMPLIQUE QU’IL Y A UN ANALYSTE. L’ANALYSTE EST-IL DIFFÉRENT DE CE QU’IL ANALYSE ? OU L’ANALYSTE EST-IL L’ANALYSÉ ? L’analyste est l’analysé. (bis)

☀ L’ANALYSTE EST L’ANALYSÉ. ☀ C’est un fait évident. Si je m’analyse, qui est l’analyste en moi qui dit : “je dois analyser” ? C’est encore l’analyste qui se sépare de l’analysé et examine ensuite ce qui doit être analysé. Donc, l’analyste est ce qu’il analyse. Ils sont identiques. Les séparer est une ruse de la pensée. Mais quand nous observons, il n’y a pas d’analyse ; il y a seulement l’observation des choses telles qu’elles sont - l’observation de ce qui existe vraiment sans analyser ce qui est, car dans le processus d’analyse on peut se leurrer.

Si vous voulez jouer à ce jeu-là, vous le pouvez en continuant inlassablement jusqu’à votre mort, en analysant sans jamais amener en vous une transformation radicale. Tandis que regarder le présent tel qu’il est - non en tant qu’Hollandais, Anglais, Français, ou ceci ou cela - voir ce qui se passe vraiment, est l’observation pure des choses telles qu’elles sont. Observer ce qu’est la peur, ce n’est pas examiner les causes de la peur, ce qui implique d’analyser et de remonter toujours plus avant à l’origine de la peur.

C’est apprendre l’art d’observer, non de traduire ou d’interpréter ce que vous observez, mais seulement d’observer comme vous le feriez d’une jolie fleur. Dès l’instant où vous la disséquez, la fleur n’existe plus. C’est ce que fait l’analyse. Mais observez la beauté d’une fleur ou la lumière du soir dans un nuage, un arbre au milieu d’une forêt, observez simplement. De même, nous pouvons observer la peur et la racine de la peur, non pas les différents aspects de la peur. Nous demandons s’il est vraiment possible d’être totalement délivré de la peur.

Psychologiquement, intérieurement, quelle est la racine de la peur ? Que signifie la peur ? La peur ne provient-elle pas d’une chose qui vous a fait souffrir dans le passé et qui pourrait se reproduire dans le futur ? Non pas ce qui pourrait arriver maintenant car, en ce moment, il n’y a pas de peur. Vous pouvez voir par vous-mêmes que la peur est un mouvement dans le temps. Un évènement survenu la semaine dernière, un incident qui nous a fait souffrir psychologiquement ou physiquement et, à partir de là, il y a la peur que cela se reproduise demain.

🕊️ 🙏 Sadhu ! Sadhu ! Sadhu ! 🙏 🕊️ Utilisé entre autres pour exprimer une joie partagée de dévotion, une approbation des valeurs morales et spirituelles. Aussi une expression d’accord et d’éloge, signifiant « excellent, bien, bon » – « Amen » ou « Alléluia »

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3rdPublic Talk Right Action ? ☀Buenos Aires, 19th July, 1935

✦ THINK ! ✦ RÉFLÉCHISSEZ ! ✦

―⁈ Q.: WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY MORALITY AND LOVE?
☀ K.: Let us examine the present-day morality in order to find out what should be the true morality. What is our whole system of morality, both the religious and the economic, based on? It is based on individual security, the search for one's own safety. The present-day morality is based on utter selfishness. There are happily few who are outside this closed morality.

TO FIND OUT WHAT IS TRUE MORALITY, WE MUST INDIVIDUALLY BEGIN TO FREE OURSELVES, THROUGH COMPREHENSION, FROM THIS CLOSED MORALITY, WHICH MEANS THAT YOU MUST BEGIN TO DOUBT, TO QUESTION THE VALUES OF THE PRESENT-DAY MORALITY. YOU MUST DISCOVER ACCORDING TO WHAT MORAL STANDARDS YOU ARE ACTING; WHETHER YOUR ACTION IS THE RESULT OF COMPULSION, OF TRADITION, OR OF YOUR OWN DESIRE TO BE SAFE, SECURE. Now if you are merely conforming to a morality of individual security, then there cannot be intelligence, nor can there be true human happiness. As individuals you must come intelligently into conflict with this selfish system of morality, because it is only through intelligent conflict, through suffering, that you discern the true significance of these moral standards. You cannot discover merely intellectually their true worth.

Now most of us are afraid to question, to doubt, because such questioning will bring about definite action, demanding definite alteration in our daily life. So we prefer to discuss merely intellectually what is true morality.

The questioner also wants to know what is love. TO UNDERSTAND WHAT TRUE LOVE IS, WE MUST UNDERSTAND OUR PRESENT ATTITUDE, THOUGHT AND ACTION TOWARDS LOVE. IF YOU TRULY THOUGHT ABOUT IT YOU WOULD SEE THAT OUR LOVE IS BASED ON POSSESSIVENESS, AND OUR LAWS AND ETHICS ARE FOUNDED ON THIS DESIRE TO HOLD AND TO CONTROL. HOW CAN THERE BE DEEP LOVE WHEN THERE IS THIS DESIRE TO POSSESS, TO HOLD? WHEN THE MIND IS FREE FROM POSSESSIVENESS, THEN THERE IS THAT LOVELINESS, THE BLISS OF LOVE,

―⁈ Q.: Should we give in to those who are against us, or avoid them?
☀ K.: Neither. If you merely give in, surely in that there is no comprehension; and if you merely avoid them, in that there is fear. IF YOUR ACTION IS BASED, NOT ON A REACTION, BUT ON THE FULL UNDERSTANDING OF FUNDAMENTAL CAUSES, THEN THERE IS NO QUESTION OF GIVING IN OR OF RUNNING AWAY. THEN YOU ARE ACTING INTELLIGENTLY, TRULY.

―⁈ Q.: You are giving us chaotic theories and inciting us to useless revolt. I should like to have your answer to this statement.
☀ K.: I AM NOT GIVING YOU ANY THEORIES OR INCITING YOU TO REVOLT. IF I AM CAPABLE OF URGING YOU TOWARDS REBELLION, AND IF YOU YIELD TO IT, THEN ANOTHER WILL COME AND PUT YOU TO SLEEP AGAIN. (Laughter)

So the important thing is to find out whether you are suffering. Now, a man who is suffering doesn't need to be urged towards rebellion; but he must keep awake to understand the cause of suffering, and not be put to sleep by explanations and ideals. If you consider very carefully you will see that, when there is suffering, there is a desire to be comforted, to be put to sleep. When you suffer, your immediate reaction is to seek comfort; and those who give you comfort, consolation, become for you an authority whom you blindly follow. Through that authority your suffering is explained away. THE FUNCTION OF REAL SUFFERING, WHICH IS TO AWAKEN INTELLIGENCE, IS DENIED THROUGH THE SEARCH FOR COMFORT.

Now you have to ask yourself whether you as an individual are satisfied with the religious, social and economic conditions as they are, and if not, what your action is towards them. Not as a group or a mass, but as individuals.

When you ask yourself this question, you must inevitably come into conflict with all those religious authorities and dogmas, with all those moralities based on selfish desires, and with that system which exploits the individual for the few. I am not inciting you to rebellion, or giving you new theories. I say that you can live with plenitude and intelligence when the mind frees itself from the stupidities of selfish, limited desires. WHEN YOU BEGIN TO DISCOVER THE TRUE SIGNIFICANCE OF THE VALUES THAT YOU HAVE BUILT ABOUT YOURSELF, WHEN THE MIND AND HEART FREE THEMSELVES FROM FEAR WHICH HAS CREATED DOCTRINES, BELIEFS, IDEALS, WHICH ARE CONTINUALLY IMPEDING YOU, THEN THERE IS FULFILMENT. THE FLOW OF REALITY. ☀ Buenos Aires, 19th July 1935 ☀

🕊️ 🙏 Sadhu ! Sadhu ! Sadhu ! 🙏 🕊️ Among others it is used to express shared joy, moral approval, and spiritual agreement. Also means « excellent, well done, or it is good.» - «Amen or Hallelujah»

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―⁈ Q.: QU'ENTENDEZ-VOUS PAR MORALE ET AMOUR?
☀ K.: Examinons la morale actuelle afin de comprendre ce que devrait être la vraie morale. Sur quoi est basé tout votre système de morale à la fois religieux et économique? Il est basé sur la sécurité. La morale actuelle est basée sur l'égoïsme total. Il y a heureusement quelques personnes qui se trouvent en dehors de cette morale fermée.

POUR SAVOIR CE QU'EST LA VRAIE MORALE, NOUS DEVONS INDIVIDUELLEMENT COMMENCER À NOUS LIBÉRER DE CETTE MORALE FERMÉE PAR NOTRE PROPRE COMPRÉHENSION, CE QUI VEUT DIRE QU'IL NOUS FAUT COMMENCER À DOUTER DES VALEURS DE LA MORALE ACTUELLE ET À LES METTRE EN QUESTION. IL VOUS FAUT SAVOIR QUELLES SONT LES VALEURS MORALES QUI VOUS FONT AGIR; SI VOTRE ACTION EST LE RÉSULTAT DE LA CONTRAINTE, DE LA TRADITION OU DE VOTRE PROPRE DÉSIR D'ÊTRE À L'ABRI, D'ÊTRE EN SÉCURITÉ. Si vous ne faites que vous conformer à une morale individuelle de sécurité, il ne peut pas y avoir d'intelligence, ni de vrai bonheur humain.

En tant qu'individus, il vous faut entrer intelligemment en conflit avec ce système égoïste de morale parce que ce n'est qu'au moyen d'un conflit intelligent et de la souffrance que vous percevrez la vraie signification de ces valeurs morales. Vous ne pouvez pas découvrir leur vraie valeur par une simple activité intellectuelle. Or, la plupart d'entre nous avons peur de mettre en question et de douter, parce qu'une telle action engendre une action définie qui exige une transformation décisive de notre vie quotidienne. Donc, nous préférons discuter intellectuellement au sujet de la morale.

La personne qui pose cette question veut aussi savoir ce qu'est l'amour. POUR COMPRENDRE CE QU'EST LE VÉRITABLE AMOUR, NOUS DEVONS COMPRENDRE NOTRE ATTITUDE PRÉSENTE, NOTRE PENSÉE ET NOTRE ACTION VIS-À-VIS DE L'AMOUR. SI VOUS Y PENSEZ RÉELLEMENT, VOUS VERREZ QUE NOTRE AMOUR EST BASÉ SUR LE SENS DE LA POSSESSION ET QUE NOS LOIS ET NOTRE ÉTHIQUE SONT BASÉES SUR CE DÉSIR DE RETENIR ET DE DOMINER. COMMENT UN PROFOND AMOUR PEUT-IL EXISTER LORSQU'EXISTE CE DÉSIR DE POSSÉDER ET DE RETENIR? LORSQUE L'HOMME EST LIBRE DU SENS POSSESSIF, IL Y A LA BEAUTÉ, LA BÉATITUDE DE L'AMOUR.

―⁈ Q.: Devons-nous céder à ceux qui sont contre nous ou devons-nous les éviter?
☀ K.: Ni l'un, ni l'autre. Si vous ne faites que céder, il n'y a sûrement là aucune compréhension, et si vous ne faites qu'éviter, il y a là de la peur. SI VOTRE ACTION EST BASÉE NON SUR UNE RÉACTION, MAIS SUR LA PLEINE COMPRÉHENSION DES CAUSES FONDAMENTALES, ALORS IL N'EST PAS QUESTION DE CÉDER, NI DE FUIR. ALORS, VOUS AGISSEZ AVEC INTELLIGENCE ET VÉRITÉ.

―⁈ Q.: Vous êtes en train de nous donner des théories chaotiques et de nous inciter à une révolte inutile. Je voudrais avoir votre réponse à cette question.
☀ K.: JE NE VOUS DONNE PAS DE THÉORIES ET JE NE VOUS INCITE PAS À LA RÉVOLTE. SI JE SUIS CAPABLE DE VOUS POUSSER VERS UNE RÉBELLION ET SI VOUS ÊTES CAPABLES DE SUBIR CETTE INFLUENCE, ALORS UN AUTRE VIENDRA QUI VOUS ENDORMIRA DE NOUVEAU. (Rires.) La chose importante est de savoir si vous souffrez. Or, un homme qui souffre n'a pas besoin qu'on le pousse vers la révolte, mais il doit demeurer éveillé afin de comprendre la cause de la souffrance et de ne pas se faire rendormir par des explications et des idéals. Si vous considérez la question avec soin, vous verrez que là où il y a souffrance, il y a un désir d'être réconforté, d'être rendormi.

LORSQUE VOUS SOUFFREZ, VOTRE RÉACTION IMMÉDIATE EST DE CHERCHER UN RÉCONFORT; CE RÉCONFORT, CETTE CONSOLATION DEVIENNENT POUR VOUS UNE AUTORITÉ QUE VOUS SUIVEZ AVEUGLÉMENT. Au moyen de cette autorité, votre souffrance se trouve expliquée et endormie. La fonction de la souffrance réelle, qui est d'éveiller l'intelligence, est niée par la recherche de la consolation. Il vous faut demander à vous-mêmes si, en tant qu'individus, vous êtes satisfaits par les conditions religieuses, sociales et économiques telles qu'elles sont, sinon quelle sera votre action par rapport à elles. J'ai dit en tant qu'individus et non en tant que groupe, ni en tant que masse.

Lorsque vous vous posez cette question, vous entrez inévitablement en conflit avec toutes ces autorités et ces dogmes religieux, avec toutes ces morales qui sont basées sur les désirs égoïstes, et avec ce système qui exploite l'individu au bénéfice d'une minorité. Je ne vous incite pas à la révolte, et je ne vous donne pas de nouvelles théories. Je dis que vous pouvez vivre avec plénitude et intelligence lorsque l'esprit se libère des stupidités, des désirs égoïstes et limités.

LORSQUE VOUS COMMENCEZ À DÉCOUVRIR LA VRAIE SIGNIFICATION DES VALEURS QUE VOUS AVEZ CONSTRUITES AUTOUR DE VOUS, LORSQUE L'ESPRIT ET LE CŒUR SE LIBÈRENT DE LA PEUR QUI A CRÉÉ LES DOCTRINES, LES CROYANCES, LES IDÉALS QUI CONTINUELLEMENT VOUS ENTRAVENT, IL Y A L'ACCOMPLISSEMENT, LE FLUX DE LA RÉALITÉ. ☀ Buenos Aires, le 19 juillet 1935 ☀

🕊️ 🙏 Sadhu ! Sadhu ! Sadhu ! 🙏 🕊️ Utilisé entre autres pour exprimer une joie partagée de dévotion, une approbation des valeurs morales et spirituelles. Aussi une expression d’accord et d’éloge, signifiant « excellent, bien, bon » – « Amen » ou « Alléluia »

J.K. Krishnamurti
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Anguttara Nikaya The numerical
Discourses of the Buddha
Elements to Reach New Heights
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SaṅgītiSutta (DN 33)
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Cont. FOURS -

• Four clingings: clinging to sensuality, clinging to views, clinging to habits & precepts, clinging to doctrines of the self.42

• Four modes of generation: egg-born generation, placenta-born generation, slime-born generation, spontaneous generation.43

• Four descents of the embryo: There is the case, friends, where a certain person descends into the mother’s womb unalert, stays in the mother’s womb unalert, & leaves the mother’s womb unalert. This is the first descent of the embryo. There is the case where a certain person descends into the mother’s womb alert, stays in the mother’s womb unalert, & leaves the mother’s womb unalert. This is the second descent of the embryo. There is the case where a certain person descends into the mother’s womb alert, stays in the mother’s womb alert, & leaves the mother’s womb unalert. This is the third descent of the embryo. There is the case where a certain person descends into the mother’s womb alert, stays in the mother’s womb alert, & leaves the mother’s womb alert.

This is the fourth descent of the embryo.44
• Four acquisitions of a self-state [atta-bhāva]: Friends, there is the acquisition of a self-state where one goes to a self-state through one’s own intention & not through the intention of another. There is the acquisition of a self-state where one goes to a self-state through the intention of another & not through one’s own intention. There is the acquisition of a self-state where one goes to a self-state both through one’s own intention & through the intention of another. There is the acquisition of a self-state where one goes to a self-state neither through one’s own intention nor through the intention of another.

• Four purifications of offerings: Friends, there is the offering purified by the donor but not by the recipient. There is the offering purified by the recipient but not by the donor. There is the offering purified neither by the donor nor by the recipient. There is the offering purified both by the donor & by the recipient.

• Four grounds for the bonds of fellowship: giving, kind words, beneficial help, consistency.

• Four ignoble modes of speech: telling lies, divisive speech, harsh speech, idle chatter.

• Four noble modes of speech: abstaining from telling lies, abstaining from divisive speech, abstaining from harsh speech, abstaining from idle chatter.

• Four more ignoble modes of speech: saying that what has not been seen has been seen, saying that what has not been heard has been heard, saying that what has not been sensed has been sensed, saying that what has not been cognized has been cognized.

• Four more noble modes of speech: saying that what has not been seen has not been seen, saying that what has not been heard has not been heard, saying that what has not been sensed has not been sensed, saying that what has not been cognized has not been cognized.

• Four more ignoble modes of speech: saying that what has been seen has not been seen, saying that what has been heard has not been heard, saying that what has been sensed has not been sensed, saying that what has been cognized has not been cognized.

• Four more noble modes of speech: saying that what has been seen has been seen, saying that what has been heard has been heard, saying that what has been sensed has been sensed, saying that what has been cognized has been cognized.

• Four persons: There is the case, friends, where a certain person torments himself and is devoted to the practice of torturing himself. There is the case where a certain person torments others and is devoted to the practice of torturing others. There is the case where a certain person torments himself and is devoted to the practice of torturing himself, and also torments others and is devoted to the practice of torturing others.

There is the case where a certain person neither torments himself nor is devoted to the practice of torturing himself, neither torments others nor is devoted to the practice of torturing others. Neither tormenting himself nor tormenting others, he dwells in the here-&-now free of hunger, unbound, cooled, sensitive to pleasure, with a Brahmā-like mind.45

• Four more persons: There is the case, friends, where a certain person practices for his/her own benefit but not for the benefit of others. There is the case where a certain person practices for the benefit of others but not for his/her own benefit. There is the case where a certain person practices neither for his/her own benefit nor for the benefit of others.

There is the case where a certain person practices both for his/her own benefit & for the benefit of others.46

• Four more persons: one in darkness who is headed for darkness, one in darkness who is headed for light, one in light who is headed for darkness, and one in light who is headed for light.47

50• Four more persons: the unshakeable contemplative, the white-lotus contemplative, the red-lotus contemplative, the most refined contemplative among contemplatives.48

These, friends, are the four dhammas that are rightly expounded by the Blessed One—the one who knows, the one who sees, the Worthy One, rightly self-awakened. Those should all be recited together, without dispute, so that this holy life will endure & last a long time, and that will be for the benefit & happiness of many, out of sympathy for the world, for the welfare, benefit, & happiness of devas & human beings.
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Lust and So Forth Repetition Series

☀Bhikkhus, for direct knowledge of lust, four things are to be developed.
☀WHAT FOUR?
―☀➡️ 1. FOUR ESTABLISHMENTS OF MINDFULNESS
(1) Here, a bhikkhu dwells contemplating the body in the body, ardent, clearly comprehending, mindful, having removed longing and dejection in regard to the world.
(2) He dwells contemplating feelings in feelings . . .
(3) . . . mind in mind . . .
(4) . . . phenomena in phenomena, ardent, clearly comprehending, mindful, having removed longing and dejection in regard to the world.

☀Bhikkhus, for direct knowledge of lust, four things are to be developed.
☀WHAT FOUR?
―☀➡️ 2. FOUR RIGHT STRIVINGS
(1) Here, a bhikkhu generates desire for the non-arising of unarisen bad unwholesome states; he makes an effort, arouses energy, applies his mind, and strives.
(2) He generates desire for the abandoning of arisen bad unwholesome states . . .
(3) . . . for the arising of unarisen wholesome states . . .
(4) . . . for the maintenance of arisen wholesome states, for their non-decline, increase, expansion, and fulfillment by development; he makes an effort, arouses energy, applies his mind, and strives.

☀Bhikkhus, for direct knowledge of lust, four things are to be developed.
☀WHAT FOUR?
―☀➡️ 3. FOUR BASES FOR PSYCHIC POTENCY
(1) Here, a bhikkhu develops the basis for psychic potency that possesses concentration due to desire and activities of striving.
(2) He develops the basis for psychic potency that possesses concentration due to energy . . .
(3). . .that possesses concentration due to mind . . .
(4) . . . that possesses concentration due to investigation and activities of striving. ☀For direct knowledge of lust, these four things are to be developed.

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REPETITION SERIES ☀ FOUR BASES FOR PSYCHIC POTENCY
―☀ Bhikkhus, for full understanding of lust . . .for the utter destruction . . . for the abandoning . . . (257-Yesterday's post) . . . for the destruction . . . for the vanishing . . . for the fading away . . . for the cessation . . . for the giving up . . . For the relinquishment of lust, these four things are to be developed.
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Bhikkhus, for direct knowledge . . . for full understanding . . . for the utter destruction . . . for the abandoning . . . for the destruction . . . for the vanishing . . . for the fading away . . . for the cessation . . . for the giving up . . . for the relinquishment of hatred . . . of delusion . . . of anger. . . of hostility . . . of denigration . . . of insolence . . . of envy . . . of miserliness . . . of deceitfulness . . . of craftiness . . . of obstinacy . . . of vehemence . . . of conceit . . . of arrogance . . . of intoxication . . . of heedlessness, these four things are to be developed. ☀―

―☀☀ WHAT FOUR ?
(1) Here, a bhikkhu dwells contemplating the body in the body . . . (2) . . . feelings in feelings . . . (3) . . . mind in mind . . . (4) . . . phenomena in phenomena, ardent, clearly comprehending, mindful, having removed longing and dejection in regard to the world. ☀☀―

☀ (1) Here, a bhikkhu generates desire for the non-arising of unarisen bad unwholesome states . . . (2) . . . for the abandoning of arisen bad unwholesome states . . . (3) . . . for the arising of unarisen wholesome states . . . (4) . . . for the maintenance of arisen wholesome states, for their non-decline, increase, expansion, and fulfillment by development; he makes an effort, arouses energy, applies his mind, and strives. ☀

―☀ (1) Here, a bhikkhu develops the basis for psychic potency that possesses concentration due to desire . . . (2) . . . that possesses concentration due to energy . . . (3) . . . that possesses concentration due to mind . . . (4) . . .that possesses concentration due to investigation and activities of striving.
For the relinquishment of heedlessness, these four things are to be developed. ☀―

This is what the Blessed One said.
Elated, those bhikkhus delighted in the Blessed One’s statement.

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2nd Public Talk Right Action ? ☀Buenos Aires, 15th July, 1935

―⁈ Q.: It is clear to me that you are determined to destroy all our cherished ideals. If these are destroyed, will not civilization collapse and man return to savagery?
☀ K.: FIRST OF ALL, I CANNOT DESTROY YOUR IDEALS WHICH YOU HAVE CREATED. IF I COULD DESTROY THEM, YOU WOULD CREATE OTHERS IN THEIR PLACE AND SO BE PRISONERS TO THESE. What we have to find out is, not whether by destruction of ideals there is going to be savagery, but whether ideals really help man to live completely, intelligently. Is there not savagery, chaos, misery, exploitation, war, in spite of your ideals, religions and closed morality? So let us find out whether ideals are a help or a hindrance. To understand this, your mind must not be prejudiced or on the defensive.

WHEN WE TALK ABOUT IDEALS, WE MEAN THOSE POINTS OF LIGHT BY WHICH WE SEEK TO GUIDE OURSELVES ACROSS THE CONFUSION AND MYSTERY OF LIFE. THAT IS WHAT WE MEAN BY IDEALS: THOSE FUTURE CONCEPTIONS WHICH WILL HELP MAN TO DIRECT HIMSELF ACROSS THE CHAOS OF PRESENT EXISTENCE.

The subtle desire for ideals and their permanence indicates that you want to cross the ocean of life without suffering. As you do not fully comprehend the present, you desire to have guides in the form of ideals. So you say, "As life is such a conflict, as there is so much misery and suffering in it, ideals will give me encouragement, hope." Thus ideals become an escape from the present. Your mind and heart are crippled and burdened by them, giving you a subtle means of escape from the ever living present, thus covering up and dodging the conflict and the suffering of the now. So gradually you come to live in theories and cannot understand the actuality.

Let me take an example which I hope will make my meaning clear. As Christians you profess to love your neighbours: that is the ideal. Now what is happening in actuality? Love doesn't exist, but we have fear, domination, cruelty, and all the horrors and absurdities of nationalism and war. In theory it is one thing, and in fact it is quite the opposite. But if you put aside for the moment your ideals and really confront the actual; if instead of living in a romantic future you face without illusion that which is ever taking place, giving your whole mind and heart to it, then you will act and know the movement of reality.

Now, you are confusing actuality with theories. You have to separate the actual from the theoretical, from hopes and longings. When you are confronted with the actual, there is action; but if you escape into ideals, into the security of illusion, then you will not act.

The greater the ideal, the greater is its power to hold man in an illusion, in a prison. IT IS ONLY IN UNDERSTANDING LIFE, WITH ALL ITS SUFFERING, JOY AND DEEP MOVEMENT THAT THE MIND CAN FREE ITSELF FROM ILLUSIONS AND IDEALS.

When the mind is crippled with hopes and longings which become ideals, it cannot understand the present. But WHEN THE MIND BEGINS TO FREE ITSELF FROM THESE FUTURE HOPES AND ILLUSIONS, THEN ACTION WILL AWAKEN THAT INTELLIGENCE WHICH IS LIFE ITSELF, THE EVERBECOMING. ☀ Buenos Aires, 15th July 1935 ☀

🕊️ 🙏 Sadhu ! Sadhu ! Sadhu ! 🙏 🕊️ Among others it is used to express shared joy, moral approval, and spiritual agreement. Also means « excellent, well done, or it is good.» - «Amen or Hallelujah»

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―⁈ Q.: Il m'apparaît clairement que vous êtes déterminé à détruire tous les idéals que nous aimons. Si ceux-ci sont détruits, est-ce que la civilisation ne s'écroulera pas et est-ce que l'on ne retournera pas à l'état barbare?
☀ K.: TOUT D'ABORD, JE NE PEUX PAS DÉTRUIRE LES IDÉALS QUE VOUS AVEZ CRÉÉS. SI JE POUVAIS LES DÉTRUIRE, VOUS EN CRÉERIEZ D'AUTRES À LEUR PLACE ET DEVIENDRIEZ PRISONNIERS DE CEUX-LÀ.

Ce qu'il nous faut chercher à comprendre, ce n'est pas si par la destruction des idéals il y aura de la barbarie, mais si les idéals réellement aident l'homme à vivre complètement, intelligemment. Est-ce qu'il n'y a pas de la barbarie, du chaos, de la misère, de l'exploitation, des guerres en dépit de vos idéals, de vos religions, de vos morales closes? Donc, essayons de savoir si les idéals sont une aide ou une entrave. Pour comprendre cela votre esprit ne doit pas être rempli de préjugés, ni se mettre sur la défensive.

LORSQUE NOUS PARLONS D'IDÉALS, NOUS ENTENDONS CES POINTS DE LUMIÈRE PAR LESQUELS NOUS CHERCHONS À NOUS GUIDER À TRAVERS LA CONFUSION ET LE MYSTÈRE DE LA VIE. C'EST CE QUE NOUS ENTENDONS PAR IDÉALS: CES CONCEPTIONS DANS LE FUTUR QUI AIDERONT L'HOMME À SE DIRIGER À TRAVERS LE CHAOS DE L'EXISTENCE PRÉSENTE.

Le désir subtil pour les idéals et pour leur permanence indique que vous voulez traverser l'océan de la vie sans souffrir. Comme vous ne comprenez pas pleinement le présent, vous désirez avoir des guides sous la forme d'idéals. Alors, vous dites: « Comme la vie est un tel conflit, comme il y a tant de misères et de souffrances en elle, les idéals nous donneront un encouragement, une espérance ». Ainsi, les idéals deviennent une évasion devant le présent. Votre esprit et votre cœur sont mutilés par eux et surchargés par eux, car ils vous donnent des moyens subtils de fuir le conflit et la souffrance du présent. Ainsi, graduellement vous vous mettez à vivre des théories et vous ne pouvez plus comprendre l'actuel.

Laissez-moi vous donner un exemple qui, je l'espère, expliquera mon point de vue. En tant que Chrétien, vous professez d'aimer vos semblables; voilà l'idéal. Mais qu'est-ce qui arrive en fait? L'amour n'existe pas, mais nous avons la crainte, la domination, la cruauté, toutes les horreurs et toutes les absurdités des nationalismes et de la guerre. En théorie, c'est une chose et en fait c'est tout à fait l'opposé. Mais, si vous mettez de côté pour le moment vos idéals et si vous affrontez réellement l'actuel, si, au lieu de vivre dans un futur romantique, vous affrontez sans illusion ce qui est en train de se produire, en donnant à cette actualité tout votre esprit et votre cœur, vous agirez et vous connaîtrez ainsi le mouvement de la réalité.

En ce moment vous confondez l'actuel avec des théories. Il vous faut séparer l'actuel de tous les espoirs et des espérances théoriques. Lorsque vous êtes confrontés par l'actuel, il y a nécessairement action. Mais si vous vous évadez dans des idéals, dans la sécurité des illusions, vous n'agirez pas. Plus l'idéal est grand, plus grand est son pouvoir de retenir l'homme dans une illusion, dans une prison.

CE N'EST QU'EN COMPRENANT LA VIE AVEC TOUTE SA SOUFFRANCE, AVEC SA JOIE ET SON MOUVEMENT PROFOND QUE L'ESPRIT PEUT SE LIBÉRER DES ILLUSIONS ET DES IDÉALS. Lorsque l'esprit est mutilé par des espoirs et des aspirations qui deviennent des idéals, il ne peut pas comprendre le présent, mais LORSQUE L'ESPRIT COMMENCE À SE LIBÉRER DE CES ESPOIRS FUTURS ET DE CES ILLUSIONS, ALORS L'ACTION ÉVEILLERA CETTE INTELLIGENCE QUI EST LA VIE ELLE-MÊME, L'ÉTERNEL DEVENIR. ☀ Buenos Aires, le 15 juillet 1935 ☀

🕊️ 🙏 Sadhu ! Sadhu ! Sadhu ! 🙏 🕊️ Utilisé entre autres pour exprimer une joie partagée de dévotion, une approbation des valeurs morales et spirituelles. Aussi une expression d’accord et d’éloge, signifiant « excellent, bien, bon » – « Amen » ou « Alléluia »

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