@Defi_lawd@rollxfi An impact analysis would make it much easier to understand who benefits from a proposal and what trade-offs the community is accepting.
One thing I think can strengthen governance is making it easier for people to disagree.
Not every proposal needs unanimous support.
Constructive disagreement can:
• Reveal blind spots
• Improve proposals
• Surface alternative ideas
• Lead to better long-term decisions
A healthy DAO isn't one where everyone always agrees.
It's one where different opinions are encouraged, discussed respectfully, and considered before a vote.
The strongest governance isn't built on consensus alone, it's built on thoughtful debate.
Do you think @rollxfi governance should do more to encourage constructive debate before proposals reach Snapshot? Why or why not?
Puffer’s Guardian Modules were built around a simple question:
How do you verify offchain validator operations with onchain guarantees?
@AmirOnchain explains how Puffer Liquid Staking uses TEEs, attestations, and the 2 ETH bond to strengthen validator security. 👇
@puffer_finance@AmirOnchain The 2 ETH bond is a nice touch. When operators have real skin in the game on top of the technical protections, it feels like incentives are a lot better aligned.
The issuance reduction EIP, in simple terms:
The more ETH is staked, the lower the staking APR goes. This EIP makes it drop faster; validators get paid less net ETH, holders eat less inflation, and ETH can become “better money.”
The direct cost: LST/LRT yields compress, and the loop trade gets thinner. (If borrow rates stay the same.)
The hope: ETH price does the work that yield used to do, and ETH becomes more pristine collateral.
How to think about the value of ETH P:
P(ETH) = PV(cash flows to holders) + λ
λ is the monetary premium. It is a coordination-game equilibrium, not an intrinsic property. For a nation state, the cash flow is the bond yield and λ is reserve status, FX strength, “my country strong.”
For ETH, λ is fed by:
- collateral demand across DeFi (the deepest use)
- gas balances and credible monetary policy
- store-of-value mindshare (the Schelling point)
And λ is drained by:
- dilution: issuance taxes every non-staked ETH ~0.8%/yr, pushing everyone into staking
- centralized staking (we are already there)
- DeFi TVL exiting to other chains
The EIP bets that shrinking the drains grows λ, and that this is worth paying for with lower staking yield and less total ETH staked.
Three walls the bet has to clear:
Wall 1: Transmission. Open DeFiLlama: the top protocols are ETH and ETH-staking adjacent. The LST/LRT loop is a massive market (stake at 2.6%, borrow at 2.1%, lever the spread). Cut the yield and you cut the input to most of onchain finance.
Wall 2: No scarcity crutch. Less issuance does not equal more value. ETH was outright deflationary in 2022-23. Price did not care.
Wall 3: The failure mode. If the loop unwinds: ETH gets sold, DeFi disassembles, activity leaves, and the 1559 burn stops meaning anything.
So the real question the EIP asks: was DeFi’s demand for ETH collateral-elastic, or yield-elastic? If collateral, the carry TVL exits, the collateral use stays, λ strengthens. If yield, see Wall 3.
Solo staker myth: We can't say for certain Solo stakers make less money; the APR does go down, but if the price of ETH goes up, they arguably should be in more profit.
On the security myths: I doubt this moves security in either direction. Post-Pectra solo stakers are already squeezed out; Strawmap creates a vision where ZK replaces the solo staker trust, two builders build most blocks, and a handful of operators run nodes across every LST/LRT. No Nakamoto coefficient describes where we already are. LSTs survive this EIP either way. And “ETH sitting in ETFs and custodians is bad”. They issue their products regardless of what issuance does. They will make money either way.
Conclusion: there is no conclusion. This is a bet that strong money beats inflationary money, and that chain activity survives the transition (I,E DeFi survives). An urgent reaction, perhaps, to the drop in chain activity.
@AmirOnchain Lower APR doesn’t automatically mean stakers lose in the long run. If ETH appreciates enough, earning less ETH can still mean making more money overall.
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