Jonloe✝️🦬 💛🖤

Love God, Love Freedom, Love Vidya Games, Love Family. Im simple.
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Communism is a Luciferian subversion of Christianity.

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Christian Nationalism is evil.

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@m966021 Easy choice

I will not elaborate

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@TheExBeliever You're also only picking and choosing what to respond to in my replies. How do you handle your critera for the historicity of a concept is the exact word fallacy?

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@TheExBeliever No they were not. As ive demonstrated with the ANE cultural beliefs, the Old Testament itself, and now im just pairing it with what writers *before* the Nicene creed believed. Tertullian for example wrote this over 100 years before Nicaea

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@TheExBeliever The earliest Christian writers on the Trinity we have, articulated it in such a manner, that The Son and Spirit were parts of The Father. Still persons in the same substance.

Guess what, perfectly a trinitarian model, perfectly in line with Old Testament concepts.

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@TheExBeliever And once again, to demonstrate what your doing.

"Early Muslims were not Unitarian"

"The Quran does not describe Tauhid incorporating the sifat of Allah as distinct from him yet still not other from him, that comes later"

"Therefore, early Muslims were not Unitarian"

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@TheExBeliever 1. The Nicene parsing of the Trinity is not that there are 3 coequal Gods, coequal refers to being of the same substance.

2. Partialist models of the Trinity are still trinitarian models.

3. You're criteria for evidence is faulty because it's an exact word fallacy

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@TheExBeliever In fact, this scholar, Benjamin Sommer, explicitly says the Angel of The Lord texts of Old Testament, where a individual who is portrayed as YHWH but distinct from YHWH, are manifestations where a being that is part of God, but not all of God, manifests on earth.

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@TheExBeliever And all of this is just pigeon holing Trinitarianism only into the Nicene language, instead of just the theology itself, which has many more models than just Nicene.

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@TheExBeliever Brother in humanity, Sommer was explicitly DESCRIBING the Trinity with the phrase "manifestation" in heaven for the Father, not that the Father isn't there. He, in the quote prior, is also very explicit.
Additionally ANE conceptions of manifestations was that they WERE the diety

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@NathanBozeman2 She's right

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@BasBasmuh @Archetypical20 @Edenlife9 I believe it's regional in the Bible as well

Also, babies would still be in the region.

You're an idiot.

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@TheExBeliever Why would intertestamental theology allowing the idea that YHWH can be present in multiple identities that are not each other personally be not be evidence for trinitarian thought because they didn't say it in Greek terms?

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@TheExBeliever As the ultimate example, do you go to the Quran or Vegas to attempt to disprove Christianity, or are you going to the Old and New Testament?

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@TheExBeliever And I don't need explicit nicene statement in *my* religion to disprove Islam, a muslim wouldnt accept *my* standards anyways. I would go to *their* sources and use *their* standards.

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@TheExBeliever

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@TheExBeliever You might need to re-read

he's describing Christian theology when he says manifestation.

I think your standard for evidence of the historicity of trinitarian theology is skeptical to the point of denial.

Is your ideal that they must describe the theology with nicene terms?

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@TheExBeliever The author here literally says the idea is present in Jewish classical sources.