@Carissa15665580 I like that you brought this up! I think one difference is that the boys in Rios' study are seen as threats to everybody, but there's a particular emphasis within the criminalization of transgender people on them being predatory threats to children. #so345
attributes are marked as something other than the standard in both academics and journalism, as well as in daily life. I know that the concerns go beyond just race and class and come from good intentions, but it still feels icky to me. I'd love to hear other thoughts (3/3) #so345
I really appreciate the attention Rios gives to explain why holding a more insider-adjacent position to your study population as a researcher can be valuable. The idea that holding a certain identity and examining others with that identity must make your perspectives (1/2) #so345
inherently biased frustrates me. Both in journalism and research, I think this is ridiculous. Raising this concern for marginalized populations while accepting that White people can be reasonably objective while looking at other White people emphasizes how these (2/3) #so345
What factors do you think contribute to some of the youth in Oakland developing a "security-maximizing value system" (p. 152) while some don't? Do any of the theories we discussed earlier in the semester offer possible explanations for this? #so345
I think the similarity of the concepts of "acting White" and the middle-class measuring rod to what Rios finds in his study highlight just how much racial and class-based systems of domination are connected to what is considered socially "legitimate" #so345
How do you think it is that police and other authority figures can be so involved in the lives of these youth and not seem to understand or even see the multiple social binds they are caught up in, both the delinquent and non-delinquents? #so345
I thought the framing of masculinity as "a resource used... to accomplish specific goals" was interesting (p. 133). It made me think of how female characters often have to hold masculine traits to be considered "strong," as though masculinity and strength are synonymous #so345
Rios connects the concept that "real men" take responsibility for their actions to the internalization of responsibility the boys have for the structural conditions they exist in. How much of this do you think is also influenced by American society's hyperindividualism? #so345
How can feminist movements address the misogyny and hypermasculinity of young, impoverished men of color in a nuanced way? What solutions can we provide to both the boys and girls in these communities? #so345
The middle-class measuring rod is usually described when talking about schools, but I think this applies to other parts of society as well, where we hold everybody to these standards and see the White, middle-to-upper class perspective as the "standard" & "objective" (2/2) #so345
It is apparent just how much the dominant definitions of what is and isn't criminal and for whom matters for outcomes in these two chapters. Many of the probation conditions for the boys or acts they are aggressed for would not be done similarly for White kids. (1/2) #so345
Do you think the accurate representation of communities like those in Oakland would help mitigate the effects of misrecognition? Why or why not? #so345
Do you think the idea of pathological shaming might connect to the concept of ascribed deviance when the stigma one achieves isn't as much to do with one's behavior but how others perceive and respond to their behavior? #so345
What interventions do you think are necessary in communities like those in Oakland to prevent the labeling hype that contributes to the prevalence of school-to-prison pipelines? Is it more effective to intervene in policing strategies or school (both?) What's feasible? #so345
I found it sad but interesting that many of the boys prefer incarceration because its cause and effect regarding punishment is much clearer. This raises questions about how effective policing can be if the rules and enforcement of them is essentially arbitrary #so345
@JCB_2022soc Another reason officers might under police communities has to do with ideals of retribution. Since police and other community institutions view the boys as if they can and will be violent at any moment, they may see them as deserving of victimization and not "real" victims #so345
The example of youth protesting being seen as "riots" and as "hopeless" reinforces to me how we often fit things to our pre-existing frames because I would see the act of protesting as hopeful because it shows caring. #so345
of the similar ways in which the discretion used by police and the discretion used by school authorities impact who does and does not receive the consequences of these policies. This inequitable application reproduces systems of domination beyond just the CJ system. (2/2) #so345
I think it's important to look at how concepts in other institutions are borrowed from the CJ system. People don't realize that "three strikes" and "zero tolerance" policies in schools can be traced back to the CJ system, though this connection is important because (1/2) #so345