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[Ksen @KHal56962]

@towerofdeceit Wow, the wiki page. Knowingly written by devsis. The conversation is over indeed.

[Ksen @KHal56962]

@towerofdeceit Also since you mentioned pv being a leader of a group, can you remind me why he is considered a leader? Because it is never directly stated in the story.

[Ksen @KHal56962]

@towerofdeceit If it was about being a leader of a friendgroup, then it has nothing to do with objectification and servitude, stop playing dumb.
And if its about serving followers, literally every B and A had it, except WL, though even she served cookiekind in her own way.

[Ksen @KHal56962]

@towerofdeceit All the beasts were forced into their positions, while all the ancients chose theirs out of volition. No witch told pv he had to be a king and lead cookiekind. In the end he just resigned... And that's it.

[Ksen @KHal56962]

@towerofdeceit And where is the evidence pv was even struggling with objectification let alone having that as a reason for his search for enligthenment (and what does this "enligthenment" even mean for him btw?)

[Ksen @KHal56962]

@towerofdeceit And if you wish to discuss loneliness, do not forget to mention that Lily also shares this theme.
Just like Fount, she "walked the solitary path" and yet yearned for connection - something her letters attest to.

[Ksen @KHal56962]

@towerofdeceit "in backstory, wants, needs they are not" - pardon me? They were both seeking the truth, both investigating the question of cookies' origins and purpose, and had the same motives for doing so - you admitted that yourself.

[Ksen @KHal56962]

@lx95271113 @Botuluschip Yeah, thank you, thats exactly what I'm talking about. There are still salt's fans saying he doesn’t even need redemption cause he was never a bad guy to begin with. I wonder why other beasts fans "shit talk" him...

[Ksen @KHal56962]

@Yuimikazd This genius probably thinks fount corrupted out of free will so WL also has to in order to parallel him lol.

[Ksen @KHal56962]

@Yuimikazd Also "all the parallels are surface level, and if you look deeper, they fall apart" - yet they almost never elaborate. And even if they do, you certainly won't see a comparative analysis demonstrating that sdvn parallels f.e. are superior in terms of depth or sheer number.

[Ksen @KHal56962]

@Yuimikazd My favorite counterargument is "b-b-but smilk already has Vanilla and Lily has Salt!!!"
I mean the concept of having parallels with more than one character is too hard to grasp it seems.

[Ksen @KHal56962]

@Botuluschip @lx95271113 You forgot to mention that in the early days, there were a bunch of Salt fans claiming he was perfect in his convictions, or at least is the only redeemable beast out there.

[Ksen @KHal56962]

@erraticpuIse So? He managed to wriggle out of it in the end, while they didn't. Who beat whom in a direct brawl is more a matter of power levels than intelligence.

[Ksen @KHal56962]

@erraticpuIse So why both her and DE are dead while he's alive then?

[Ksen @KHal56962]

@yellowschythe All that also alligns perfectly with Alice's words about origins of the Abyss, so idk what other interpretations we are talking about.

[Ksen @KHal56962]

@yellowschythe It literally states in the context of discussing fate, that light = possibilities and fixing a determined choice contaminates the light (it loses purity) and casts the first shadow into the void. The next sentence adding that when we anchor fate, abyss ancors us.

[Ksen @KHal56962]

@yellowschythe I've explained the part about calculations and don't see how what you say disproves it.
No, circular time =/= Fortuna. I thought we agreed upon that.

[Ksen @KHal56962]

@yellowschythe Your text does not imply that Phanes is successful; it merely notes an anomaly in the calculations. An anomaly could signify either good news or bad news.
It is possible that the Chroniclers could not stop the Abyss because they failed to correctly identify its source.

[Ksen @KHal56962]

@yellowschythe This interpretation makes no sense within the broader context of the document.
I do not understand how one can draw the exact opposite conclusion from a text that clearly conveys the meaning that "the fate system amplifies or even creates the abyss."