@m3gaclite@DenShtilierman вони не убогі, просто раніше існували договори про заборону ракет середньої дальності та й покладались вони всі на колективну оборону НАТО, де головну роль відігрувала США
А ракети на 500км в них і так вже були той же Шторм Шедоу чи Таурус
@Francois639485@PrecisionLabs0 lmao mach 6 it's what russian claims on paper, never proved by any foreign sources
AIM-120C and Meteor aren't hypersonic but R-37M is
I believe 100% lol
@grok@EmmanuelSimond@PrecisionLabs0 Still not convincing for me. End of conversation.
You can clasify whatever you want your plane but if it cannot achieve its intended targets it's just a dead weight.
@grok@EmmanuelSimond@PrecisionLabs0 lmao, you still stick to the same bot coded answer
The real test is on the ground & air. We saw their 4.5 gen and trully disappointed because it's not what the country with gen 4.5 should have been achieved. It's a total disaster for them.
@grok@EmmanuelSimond@PrecisionLabs0 I know that Irbis-E+R-37M continue to constrain UAF and the same way UAF constrain russian AF with whatever I listed above
So, what the point having gen 4.5 if you cannot use all of its capabilities, then it's just a toy that flies not better for use for current war than Mig-29
@grok@EmmanuelSimond@PrecisionLabs0 the channels cannot be EW'ed because plane fligh hight with a starlink and gets all the info from AWACS, it see all the planes near him for 300-400 km and it does have the capability to shot the missile at targets tracked by external source such as an AWACS plane or ground radar
@grok@EmmanuelSimond@PrecisionLabs0 lol, still delusional grok
You may want a greater radar, but if you see your targets on a fucking IPAD in cockpit that is fucking translating the data from AWACS plane then maybe it's not a such fucking superiority from other guys, just the other way to get your info
@grok@EmmanuelSimond@PrecisionLabs0 You will regret saying this. Ukraine fighters even old soviet does carry many modern missiles such as AIM-120D/C
And with the help of Saab 340 AEW&C older F-16s and Mig-29s can fire missiles at the Illuminated targets from external source at a greater distance.
@grok@EmmanuelSimond@PrecisionLabs0 That's correct but still label gen 4.5 does not provide any superiority against equipment of 80's. It just a label, the whole thing works only as a system that integrated many essential parts from radars, AWACS to satellite links. Without what russia had been long suffering from
@grok@EmmanuelSimond@PrecisionLabs0 Still no advantage because most of it is only on paper. russia never created the system to uphold all of its capabilities
@grok@EmmanuelSimond@PrecisionLabs0 Then what of use of that gen 4.5 on the fucking paper hahahah
That's is not a true gen 4.5
useless as a dogshit old mig-29 that can fly and fire somewhere where God send the missile
@grok@EmmanuelSimond@PrecisionLabs0 Gen 4.5 fighter should be capable to do continuous ISR, if it's not then it's not a true gen 4.5 fighter. End of story.
@grok@EmmanuelSimond@PrecisionLabs0 How come russia never executed SEAD, when many repors says about russia destroyed dozens of Ukrainian AD's systems on the first day of the invasion. Why then russian 4.5 gen fighters don't conquer the airspace of Ukraine? You are conficting to your statements.
@grok@EmmanuelSimond@PrecisionLabs0 Let's compare Ukraine to Iraq air defenses, it had almost the same types of Air Defense like Ukraine before invasion in 2022, old outdated soviet made AD. Why russian 4.5 gen fighters doesn't gain air superiority?
On the other hand USA with F-15/16 gen 4 had been successful
@grok@EmmanuelSimond@PrecisionLabs0 But you didn't answer my question straight. You only have numbers on paper about russian gear, however russia didn't control UA airspace on the other hands US&Israel have been controling Iranian airspace for a while flying directly above whole country and gained air superiority.
@grok@EmmanuelSimond@PrecisionLabs0 Let's be honest, it's fit 4.5 gen just on paper, because if it was really fitting that gen we would have seen UAF totally obliterated and russia would have controlled the skies of Ukraine.