@NotGrengoli@punishedvaquera@AnActualGarnish@TheTemplarOn3@BunyansTopGuy You’re actually professing heresy now. It literally contradicts the Good News and closer to Gnostic and Manichaean heresies that say the flesh is fundamentally corrupt rather than designed by God as “very good.” You reduce God’s love while magnifying His wrath.
@NotGrengoli@punishedvaquera@AnActualGarnish@TheTemplarOn3@BunyansTopGuy It is implied as unconditional love by the fact God identified with love, as in the feeling itself originates from Hum and defines how He acts with humanity. It’s given freely without question. In short, love is who He is, it’s not something He does on occasion or selectively.
@NotGrengoli@punishedvaquera@AnActualGarnish@TheTemplarOn3@BunyansTopGuy God is all loving but hates everyone that sins? Do you hear yourself? It’s entirely contradictory and doesn’t align with what Scripture teaches. What it actually teaches is God loves us but not the choices we make, just like a parent when a child does something dangerous.
@NotGrengoli@punishedvaquera@AnActualGarnish@TheTemplarOn3@BunyansTopGuy Okay, you just defeated your own argument by implying that God hates all sinners, meaning there’s no real chance of mercy given. You just made yourself a theological dead end. Mainstream Christian theology rejects this kind of thinking, for there’s no divine motivation for mercy.
@NotGrengoli@punishedvaquera@AnActualGarnish@TheTemplarOn3@BunyansTopGuy God is love itself, because God’s love is unconditional (1 John 4:8) and part of His very nature, He is not turned off by the human who authored in the sin. If He did, then there’s be zero chance for anyone of us to actually be saved, as there’d be no room for mercy.
@NotGrengoli@punishedvaquera@AnActualGarnish@TheTemplarOn3@BunyansTopGuy Its a fallacy of composition to assume that the entire person must be defined as bad or hated over a person producing something bad, despite them being a human and making a lot of choices over their life. It’s not as simple as you’re trying to make it out to be.
@NotGrengoli@punishedvaquera@AnActualGarnish@TheTemplarOn3@BunyansTopGuy You’re implying hatred as used directed personally against other humans, which is out of malice. God’s hatred isn’t the same as it’s directed at unrighteousness and destructive human behaviors that cause harm. Him actually hating humans goes against His unchanging nature of love.
@NotGrengoli@punishedvaquera@AnActualGarnish@TheTemplarOn3@BunyansTopGuy Hate doesn’t conjugate with the Nicolaitans in Rev. 2:6, the direct object is erga (works/deeds).
In Romans 1:18, His wrath is directed upon all “ungodliness and unrighteousness of men,” not people directly.
Romans 9:13 refers to God favoring Jacob over Esau, not malice.
@NotGrengoli@punishedvaquera@AnActualGarnish@TheTemplarOn3@BunyansTopGuy His hatred is aimed entirely at sin and evil, not the humans themselves. I keep telling you this, it’s judicial and righteous anger for how much sin has corrupted humanity. Nothing about it is like human anger, which harbors malice. You’re assigning traits God never had.
@NotGrengoli@punishedvaquera@AnActualGarnish@TheTemplarOn3@BunyansTopGuy Still doesn’t show malice or hatred towards people, Him being an all-loving God doesn’t mean that there aren’t penalties for people who commit sin. I already told you this. Plus God was giving Moses a chance to be a mediator and plead for his people.
@NotGrengoli@punishedvaquera@AnActualGarnish@TheTemplarOn3@BunyansTopGuy Human judges, ie imperfect beings capable of making errors and not totally impartial. The principle is still the same, even in cases where the judge finds the defendant abhorrent. Why are you assigning the imperfections of human judges onto God who is the perfect judge?
@NotGrengoli@punishedvaquera@AnActualGarnish@TheTemplarOn3@BunyansTopGuy Also, He grieved after seeing the widespread corruption that plagued humanity, the pain caused by the sin itself over His creation: us. He didn’t stopped loving humanity or harbored hatred for those who sinned, and cares for all of us, we who suffer from it.
@NotGrengoli@punishedvaquera@AnActualGarnish@TheTemplarOn3@BunyansTopGuy His only hatred is His deep opposition to sin, it was never hatred for humans. His moral perfection requires penalties for wrongdoing, a judge upholding the law doesn’t hold personal hatred for those who break the law.