@TheBlackHorse65 Civ 5 was good once you had all the expansions installed. The base civ 5 is bland and boring. Not sure why you say religion is irrelevant.
@culturaltutor A very interesting and provocative thread, but it will be a tough sell of this idea to some. But truly the hyper realistic crowd sometimes over-reaches, implying that anything not as impressive as these realistic statues are not real art, something which this thread addresses.